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Joe Williams -- bicycle frames / forks
i am considering purchasing a frame / fork made by joe williams. the add says that he used to work for serotta as a master builder. anyone with some insight into the builder and/or quality of the bicycles?
thanks and regards, Keith |
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I've seen three "williams" branded bikes, I guess Joe's, as at the time he was in NY state building. These bikes are about 10 years old. All fillet brazed nicely. All too big for me to take a spin on, but the owners like them and still ride them, my buddy just now upgrading his old Shimano "600 Ultegra" to current Ultegra.
FWIW, my understanding is, and I may be off base here but not too far as I trust the dealer who moved these three frames, is Williams has not been building much over the years. Post a pic when you get it. |
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A good friend of mine, Marty, just had him make a frame for him. J.W. used to work for Serotta according to my Marty. Marty said that he got a descent fitting from him and seems to like the bike so far. I thought that he mentioned that he worked out of a barn or something, but I could be wrong.
I have asked my Marty to email me a pic of his bike. I will post it here when he does. Marty lives in Lancaster and races for Green Mountain (I think). |
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Does he offer Jim Lahey lugs?
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Check out frame builder Rich Adams at bicycleframes.com . You may find his work attractive and pricing competitive. Located in Wilkes-Barre, PA, about two hours north of Lancaster.
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Shirks is about the best LBS I've ever run into. Better than Nashbar prices and inventory, phenominal wheelbuilder - all of the local racers had him build their wheels until boutique wheels took over. Luke has forgotten more about bikes than most of us will ever know. He has essentially no overhead - the place is largely staffed by his family and their dog. He does everything from fairly high-end performance bikes (road and mountain) to the lowest cost Amish transportation bikes. A bunch of used gear upstairs too and you can demo just about anything for about as long as you want, and on the honor system. Really cool place. It's about a 35-40 minute drive for me, so I don't get out there often anymore, but it's always worth the trip when I do. So, no, not a barn -Ray |
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bike pic
ok, here is a pic of the bike I mentioned:
http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?c=12c66h1...b&x=0&y=ko8a0n That is a link to an ofoto album with on pic. You won't have to login to see it. the pic was too large to upload to this forum...so this was next idea that I had. |
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i didn't mention explicitly (other than saying "the add"), but the pruchase is of a used bike. any idea what a new lugged steel joe williams frame costs? just looking to get myself in the ball park. from the feedback here, it looks like if the price is right, i might be able to acquire a nice project bike.
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BTW, the number at Shirks is 717-445-5731 if you want to get in touch with Joe directly. -Ray Last edited by Ray; 03-23-2005 at 05:00 AM. |
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Joe Williams fit methods not up to current standards
Joe Williams worked for Serotta in the early 90's when Serotta taught them to just look at you and size you up, and this person should be this seat tube angle, etc...... Serotta's current methods do not employ this type of fitting no more! I would think twice before i would consider buying a Joe Williams built frameset, until he gets his butt back up to Serotta to learn the current and most prominent method of fitting a person to a bike. Which has come a long way from the old method of fitting.
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ray,
thanks for the info. the frame/fork in question is of the standard / classic variety. now, it's time to figure out a good price ... bikedadjc, as the purchase is of a used bicycle, the fitting capabilities of mr. williams are no longer a consideration. i know the size i want and frame/fork is there. therefore, my main concern is in his ability to craft a quality bicycle. the feedback from this forum suggests that he does. regards, gt |
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I don't think so, BigDan...............
Victim of Marketing, my *ss!! I know what fitting systems have been used, and my experiences have shown me that the older methods of fitting are not always right for every individual. SEROTTA SETS HIGH STANDARDS IN THE INDUSTRY FOR FITTING A PERSON TO A BICYCLE. If they do such a thing, and are looked upon so highly, and are used by the pros also. I would not consider myself a "victim of Marketing"!! I would consider myself fit to my bicycle perfectly by an up-to-date fitting method as perfected by Serotta that has changed thru-out the years!!
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