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02-18-2005, 12:38 AM
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Tied and Soldered
I am having my CDA built up...The wheels are going to be open pros with DB spoken onto Centaur hubs...(for economy sake...holidays and a wedding you know)...But the wheels are to built with the rear having tied and soldered spokes on the drive side??? (I believe drive side)...
Does anyone have experience with this and why is it done...This is my only road bike and right know my only set of wheels... I have never seen this in my 13 years of mtb riding. 
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02-18-2005, 07:35 AM
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A classic treatment...
my rear wheel has it and it's transparent to me. The idea of the soldering is to stiffen the wheel's support by distributing the the driving forces against the wheel's individual spokes by basically pairing them up. There's a lota talk as to whether or not the practice is all that effective. I figure since the back wheel is taking the brunt of the road's beating the fortification is likely worth it, not necessarily from an improve efficiency perspective, but strength and the spokes' longevity.
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02-18-2005, 08:11 AM
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Old school and not necessary. Just like 36 spoke wheels..
However I hear that your wheels will track better over potholes when soldered......    
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02-18-2005, 08:17 AM
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i hiccup that.
in the "old days", materials, especially rims, were not of the quality that they are now; t&s-ing wheels were another safeguard to ensure longevity. in this era, i view it as decoration, track wheels notwithstanding.
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#5
02-18-2005, 08:17 AM
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It's done for the same reasons as animal slaughter, worship of icons, and chanting at the sun. Ritual. There is no practical benefit, and it makes changing broken spokes a pain in the ***.
High, even tension is your friend. Anything else is basically hogwash. Of course, with high, even tension you'll rarely, if ever break spokes, so the primary disadvantage of tying and soldering is moot. At which point you're just carrying the extra weight of the solder (negligible) and the extra weight of religious belief (weight determined by individual). - Christian
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#6
02-18-2005, 08:19 AM
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I recall seeing t&s'ing last year, maybe the year before, on some of the bikes at Paris-Roubaix. Maybe they should all be riding Serotta's so they bounce straight over all the cobblestones.
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#7
02-18-2005, 08:21 AM
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Its funny, when I ram my Serotta into a pothole, I usually find the bike travels straight up my arse......quite harshly..........I'd better get the rear end checked.........
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02-18-2005, 08:26 AM
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I don't like pot holes. They are a sign of dysfunctional society. I just hop over them. Less stress on the wheels and I don't have to remove my seat out of my arse.
William Who said they carried the vaseline??? 
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#10
02-18-2005, 08:33 AM
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Quote:
<John Lennon> I just believe in me, </John Lennon> - Christian
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02-18-2005, 08:43 AM
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#13
02-18-2005, 08:47 AM
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Its fun to do and it looks cool. My track wheels and my front winter training wheel are tied and soldered. I did the winter wheel because a friend wanted to learn how to t&c so I showed him on a few spokes on that wheel and let him take over.
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#15
02-18-2005, 09:26 AM
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Thank goodness!
I saw the thread title and thought that it was going to be about Sandy and Kevan's sexlives!
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