Better living through better science

[William]

A better future through science?

Was Indurain juicing when he blew the whole peloton apart and made up over a 3 minute deficit by the time he hit the finish at the top?

Was Zulle juicing when he soloed on his own and built up close to a 15 minute lead on the peloton and was technically in the yellow jersey on the road until...

Was Indurain juicing when he attacked to reel in Zulle and get back enough time to take back the yellow?

Was Viranque juicing when he soloed with 4 major climbs to go and won on the same stage Fabio Casartelli lost his life?

Was Pantani juicing when he flew away and dropped everyone like a bad habit on Le Alp Duez?

Was Pantani still juicing when he won another climbing stage the next day?

Was Jalabert juicing when he attacked and dropped every one for a solo win on Bastille day?

Was Bijarne Riis juicing when he was taunting Indurain by continually dropping him and and coming back like a yo-yo before going on to win?

Was Neil Stevens, the hardest working domestique in the peloton, juicing when he finally won a stage in the tour?

Was Max Schiandrie juicing when he and the little Columbian (Beunahora?) climber dropped everyone in the mountains, then took the sprint against the climber in the end?

Was Abdujaperohv juicing every time he contested a sprint for points against Jalabert for the green jersey?

Was Tom Steels juicing when he became enraged and threw water bottles at Moncason for doing his impression of a pinball during final sprints?

Was Zabel juicing every time he beat Cipo? Every time he beat anyone?

Was Armstrong juicing when he won Tour number one?

Was Armstrong juicing when he won Tour number two?

Was Armstrong juicing when he won Tour number three?

Was Armstrong juicing when he won Tour number four?

Was Armstrong juicing when he won Tour number five?

Was Armstrong juicing when he won Tour number six?

Was Armstrong juicing when he won Tour number seven?

Was Tyler Hamilton juicing in the Olympics and beyond?

Was his twin juicing in the Olympics and beyond?

Was Dr. Ferrari juicing?

Was everyone who was a client of Dr. Ferrari juicing?

Was everyone on the latest secret list confiscated during the bust juicing?

Can you seriously look at any pro cyclist and not wonder if they are juicing?

Better performance through better science?

William?

[atmo]

Originally Posted by William

Can you seriously look at any pro cyclist and not wonder if they are juicing?

Better performance through better science?

how can you ask this?
these guys are not riding around central park
or doing aids rides. do you think they subsist
on powerbars, pasta, and gatorade? of course
they use science and every available resource
to both recover and excel at what they are paid
to do. and i do believe that it is and always has
been part of their culture, and i believe all of them
feel justified in going right up to and/or stepping
over the borderline that is called the banned list.
that list changes annually to fit the times.

i don't care. i like to watch atmo.

[kestrel]

So, if we assume they are all juiced, it's still a noteworthy sporting event in that the playing field is level eh?

[flydhest]

Originally Posted by atmo

i don't care. i like to watch atmo.

Thanks, Chauncey.

[atmo]

Originally Posted by kestrel

So, if we assume they are all juiced, it's still a noteworthy sporting event in that the playing field is level eh?

not really. it's no different the the bicycle rules
that the UCI has set so that no superpower country
(in olympic years) or commericial entity (in any
other instance) can gain unfair advantage by dint
of their/its financial resources atmo.


money buys more shet.

[William]

Maybe I should have named the thread, "Better living through banned substances"?

Of course they are going to use all the performance specific science that they can use. Right up to, and likely including the banned substances. Why all the cat and mouse games? Why all the lying and masking? Why the spy vs spy games? We've seen it time and time again, "No I do not, did not, or have ever used banned substances"...."Ok, I did". Do suspension and back to racing.
Why keep doing all this? For the appearance of cleanliness? To save them from themselves? It ain't working folks. Just let them take what ever they want to take and be done with it. Have independent physicians monitor their health with control of a thumbs up or down on whether they can race or not. Other then that, it's a free for all.

The 98 bust and subsequent "cleaning up of the sport" has really gone a long way hasn't it.

If you believe that, I've got a bridge for sale I'm going to post in the classifieds...


William

[flydhest]

William,

Where is the bridge and is it a draw bridge? I have always, always, ever since I was a kid, wanted a real draw bridge.

How firm are you on price?

[atmo]

Originally Posted by William

Maybe I should have named the thread, "Better living through banned substances"?

who cares?
what's not banned now will be next year.
why are we trying to make all this drug activity
fit tidily into nice little compartments that we
can understand atmo?

[kestrel]

Originally Posted by atmo

not really. it's no different the the bicycle rules
that the UCI has set so that no superpower country
(in olympic years) or commericial entity (in any
other instance) can gain unfair advantage by dint
of their/its financial resources atmo.


money buys more shet.

So you are saying some buy better "juice" than others?

It's still a level playing field. Without the juice, some have better training methods than others, etc., etc., etc. Everyone has access, choices to make.

[William]

Originally Posted by flydhest

William,

Where is the bridge and is it a draw bridge? I have always, always, ever since I was a kid, wanted a real draw bridge.

How firm are you on price?

Fly,

it's a draw bride with a clock. Look, I'll throw in a suit of armor to sweeten the deal.

Price is negotiable,

What do you say?


William

PS: You'll have to pick it up though.

[William]

Originally Posted by atmo

who cares?

My point exactly. Why the dog and pony show of going after them?


William

[atmo]

Originally Posted by kestrel

So you are saying some buy better "juice" than others?

It's still a level playing field. Without the juice, some have better training methods than others, etc., etc., etc. Everyone has access, choices to make.

it's not a level playing field.
the bigger, more underwritten teams have more
money. is it that hard to understand atmo?

[atmo]

Originally Posted by William

My point exactly. Why the dog and pony show of going after them?


William

if the uci goes after them, it's a whitewash.
if the press and/or the law goes after them,
it's because of possible criminal violations.
that part i can live with as not being a dog
and pony show atmo.

[William]

Originally Posted by atmo

...or the law goes after them,
it's because of possible criminal violations.
that part i can live with as not being a dog
and pony show atmo.

Agreed.

William

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