Running question?

OnceFast · #1 11-08-2005, 05:39 PM

My daughter wants me to run a 5K race with her and I'd like to keep up or even beat her if possible. I'd like to train for this race on my Computrainer as I hate running. The treadmill at the gym indicates 266 watts gives me a 7:00 minute pace at my weight. If I can average 266 for 22 minutes on my trainer will that equate to 7:00 minute miles on the road(flat course)? I'm a little skeptical as my last running race was a 5 miler 8 years ago in 36 minutes. I felt like I was going to die and I was riding a lot faster then.

manet · #2 11-08-2005, 05:41 PM

pitch the treadmill at least to 1% to get any sort of road feel.

Fixed · #3 11-08-2005, 05:43 PM

bro I'm just a dumb bike mess but i.m.h.o. if you want to run you got to run.cheers

manet · #4 11-08-2005, 05:54 PM

doing intervals on a treadmill is tough, second only to squeezing out a baby.

saab2000 · #5 11-08-2005, 06:27 PM

Fixed is right. I just got back from a 4 mile run. I am making myself do it and am inspired by Laurent Jalabert's marathon performance.

There is no substitute for running if you want to run. And the treadmill is not nearly as good as running outdoors IMHO.

#6 11-08-2005, 06:51 PM

If you want to beat her just use a belt.

sirroada · #7 11-08-2005, 10:00 PM

Run Forest, run. If you want to get faster on a bike...pedal harder. If you want to run faster down the road, run faster down the road.

Too Tall · #8 11-09-2005, 06:48 AM

OF - Cycling HRs and running HRs are different as are watts. If you are looking for comparative HRs and Watts? If I understand correctly, you want to use CT to approximate the watts you see on the treadmill and train to sustain that or better for 20+ mins correct? Yeah I can figure this out, it's easy now that I think about it some. Give me you Avg. HR. for a very hard treadmill session lasting 30 mins. and for CT need avg HR and watts for the last 30 mins. of Mogul Bismark done HARD!!!...I'll do the math for you.

PS - You might want to start stretching your achilles, calves, soleus, hamstrings DAILY.

Kevan · #9 11-09-2005, 06:54 AM

and hit the track. No tread mill is going to prepare you completely for tarmac and a good track makes for an excellent transition.

Did I ever tell you how much I hate running?

Sandy · #10 11-09-2005, 06:59 AM

I know someone that you certainly don't hate.

Someone Sandy

67-59 · #11 11-09-2005, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirroada

If you want to run faster down the road, run faster down the road.

True.

#12 11-09-2005, 07:05 AM

take away her running shoes

then

tell your daughter to ride a dang bike

(in political philosophy, this would be called positive freedom)

Grant McLean · #13 11-09-2005, 07:19 AM

You don't necessarily have to run on the road.

Find some mountainbike trails near where you live,
and run on the dirt. It's easier on the joints, and
more interesting than pounding along in a straight line.

G

#14 11-09-2005, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnceFast

My daughter wants me to run a 5K race with her and I'd like to keep up or even beat her if possible. I'd like to train for this race on my Computrainer as I hate running. The treadmill at the gym indicates 266 watts gives me a 7:00 minute pace at my weight. If I can average 266 for 22 minutes on my trainer will that equate to 7:00 minute miles on the road(flat course)? I'm a little skeptical as my last running race was a 5 miler 8 years ago in 36 minutes. I felt like I was going to die and I was riding a lot faster then.

(I'm a triathlete/duathlete)

Cycling training as preparation for a running race is fine, if you don't mind the risk of injury, probably blowing up as you'll have no idea about pace, and not being able to walk for about a week after the race. Cycling is (entirely?) concentric muscle contractions, while running has a major eccentric muscle contraction component. You have to adapt. Your cardiovascular system isn't the issue: it is the use of different muscles or range of motion and concentric/eccentric that'll kill you.

Be wary of running on trails, as a turned ankle will put a damper on your training in a big way.

My advice, which you won't like: run as frequently as possible. You don't have to go far (just a couple of miles at first), and you don't have to go fast. Running on a track is good advice, as you can monitor and learn your pacing as you go, and the surface is softer than the road. I'd even suggest riding (spinning) a bit before you run to ensure that your muscles are warmed up, then stretch easy, then run.

Grant McLean · #15 11-09-2005, 08:51 AM

Ken,

Do you really think the risk of a "turned ankle" on a trail is any greater than getting plantar fascitis, Iliotibial Band Syndrome, or medial tibial stress syndrome? These are injuires that cyclists commonly get these from running. A cyclist (especially one with any mountain biking experience) should be able to trot around on a single track trail without being frightened. Your experience may differ, but i've run on trails in the winter months for the last 10 years, and never had a "turned ankle". In fact, my months of trail running remain injury free, yet i've had PF, IT and shin splints after just a few weeks on running on the sidewalks. Maybe it's just my good luck?

G