Mosaic RT-1 Pricing // Custom frame pricing

[bthomas515]

Found a local guy selling a custom mosaic rt1 frameset which comes quite close to my dimensions. Looking around, pricing is incredibly difficult. The Pros Closet is the only place I’ve found used frames and they’re asking >2,600, which is crazy to me.

Anyone know what a decent price for the frameset would be or how to adequately price custom frames? It’d be a shot at fit so I may ride it a bit and then sell and don’t want to lose my shirt.

[livesadventure]

I recently sold a 2018 rt-1 frameset for about 2k with king headset and bottom bracket.


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[bthomas515]

Originally Posted by livesadventure

I recently sold a 2018 rt-1 frameset for about 2k with king headset and bottom bracket.


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Oh thanks. Didn’t realize they still had that level of market

[Mikej]

I believe retail is 5500$ ffhs-

[eBAUMANN]

A Mosaic is on par with any of the Big Names in Titanium and will be priced accordingly.
7 years ago (when I bought my first Mosaic, used) they were almost completely unknown and an amazing bargain on the secondhand market because of that.

Anything under $2k is a bargain and anything over $3k should be something really special.

But yea, expect to pay $2-3k for a nice used example.

[Imaking20]

I think Mosaic is drunk on their own Kool Aid. I was enamored by them for years and then finally owned an RT1 and RT2. I was unimpressed by both - albeit for very different reasons.

Pros Closet is also drunk thinking they'll get that asking price for an etap specific frame with no headset and undefined custom geometry.

I'd say max out around $2k if the geometry is perfect. And make sure the FD tab is actually aligned properly. And that the bottle cage bolts are spaced far enough that you can actually fit 2 bottles...

[nmrt]

Last year I as quoted $6900 for Mosaic RT1 frame/fork. Price included paint. Though I am not sure what level of paint. Then I inquired on pricing for RT1 for frame and fork but no paint. It was still $6900.

That was the day Mosaic was not in any of my new bike or used bike buying list.

Originally Posted by Mikej

I believe retail is 5500$ ffhs-

[bthomas515]

Originally Posted by nmrt

Last year I as quoted $6900 for Mosaic RT1 frame/fork. Price included paint. Though I am not sure what level of paint. Then I inquired on pricing for RT1 for frame and fork but no paint. It was still $6900.

That was the day Mosaic was not in any of my new bike or used bike buying list.

$6900 is wild. Didn’t realize they were that steep

[prototoast]

Originally Posted by nmrt

Last year I as quoted $6900 for Mosaic RT1 frame/fork. Price included paint. Though I am not sure what level of paint. Then I inquired on pricing for RT1 for frame and fork but no paint. It was still $6900.

That was the day Mosaic was not in any of my new bike or used bike buying list.

When I spoke with Mosaic at the last nahbs, they were pretty clear that fancy custom paint was part of what they saw the RT-1 as. They always sell the RT-2 if you're not looking to go all out with customization, including finish. Asking for an RT-1 without custom paint would be like asking for a Speedvagen without an ISP, or a Richard Sachs with a carbon fork. There are builders out there who will build you exactly what you want with a la carte pricing, and there are others trying to establish brand equity, and part of doing that is defining what their premium product should be

[Imaking20]

Disagree. My RT-1 was blasted and polished. No paint.


I inquired about an RS-1 recently and they quoted me $6k for a frame and fork. FOR A FRAME AND FORK.

No.

AFAIK, they're using the same Columbus HSS tubes as everyone else. Based on the build quality of my RT-1, they're not doing anything better than the likes of many reputable builders who will ask half that price.

[Mikej]

6900$!!

[mjb266]

Hmmm...I've got an RT-1 I've had for years...maybe it's appreciating?

[prototoast]

Originally Posted by Imaking20

I inquired about an RS-1 recently and they quoted me $6k for a frame and fork. FOR A FRAME AND FORK.

No.

AFAIK, they're using the same Columbus HSS tubes as everyone else. Based on the build quality of my RT-1, they're not doing anything better than the likes of many reputable builders who will ask half that price.

The RS-1 is the only steel bike they still offer, and I suspect it's pricing reflect a position of "we'd rather stick to titanium, but if you REALLY want a steel bike from us, we'll do it, but it will cost you." And who can blame them. If they're at capacity building $6000 titanium frames, it really doesn't make a lot of sense for them to build a $3000 steel frame.

[FlashUNC]

If you don't like the price, don't buy it. Market forces and all that.

[bthomas515]

Originally Posted by Imaking20

And make sure the FD tab is actually aligned properly. And that the bottle cage bolts are spaced far enough that you can actually fit 2 bottles...

I take it both of these issues occurred in your mosaic experience? these are very specific issues so