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Old 12-04-2007, 04:13 PM
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OT: VW Diesel

Does anybody have any specific information on when VW diesel vehicles will be available again, specifically the Jetta "Sportwagen"? I had read a few months ago that the release would be early in the new year, but I've also heard rumors that the release has been delayed.
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Old 12-04-2007, 04:15 PM
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The Jetta Sportwagen was the one car MIA from the Car Show that I really am interested in...

Nothing at vw.com either.
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Old 12-04-2007, 04:37 PM
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I spoke to a dealer about a month ago who was saying this summer/fall but it sounds like even the dealers are having a hard time getting a straight answer
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Old 12-04-2007, 04:54 PM
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the new version of diesel fuel thats at the pumps have car companies scrambling-

the new fuel is messing with things in a big way-

Im not buying another diesel for a bit

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Old 12-04-2007, 05:10 PM
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My understanding is summer 2008.

I couldn't wait any more and bought another gasser.

P's me off - I wanted another diesel.

What I understood the problem to be is the size of the NA market - supposedly diesel's in NA represent about 3% of VW worldwide sales - so VW NA is having a lot of trouble getting confirmed delivery dates from the engine plants.
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Old 12-04-2007, 05:15 PM
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Diesel is $3.70 per gallon here. Loved my 52hp 1981 Rabbit diesel, though. 45mpg city/52 highway with minimum maintenance.
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Old 12-04-2007, 05:23 PM
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Maybe late '08 if at all. Emissions/EPA Cert. is slowing down US introduction. Also expect EPA mileage estimates to probably go down into the high 30's w/more hp & torque. Plus I think it will only be offered in a "loaded" mid 20 priced version - VW's no dummy.

FWIW, If I needed new high mileage wheels for biking/racing( drive ~25K yr) a '08 Honda Fit or '08 Scion xB would be top contenders. You can buy a lot of gas with the ~8K difference between a Sportwagen and those vehicles.

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P.S. If you want some inside scoop on TDIs(past, present and future) you'll find it here http://forums.tdiclub.com/

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Old 12-04-2007, 05:53 PM
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I might be mistaken but I was hearing things like 50+ mpg highway and city for the new 2.0 TDI's. This was a while ago so It might be old information. I heard that despite the 40% HP gain and about the same torque gain with the new motor it still gets better MPG then the last generation cars.

Also my VW dealer said they would get their first cars some time in January. I just hope some are still around when I can afford one after I graduate. .
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Old 12-04-2007, 06:10 PM
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my better half has an '06 2.0 TDI Golf.

goes for ever and them some.

it hammers - she has an auto though and the turbo lab is pretty wild.

fun car to tool around in.
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Old 12-04-2007, 06:22 PM
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i had a 02 jetta tdi...gave it to my kid.

killed in mileage.
was 50+ w/ a roof rack.
ridiculous actually.

it was a standard and it went plenty as fast as i go in cars.
good car.
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Old 12-04-2007, 06:42 PM
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My wife drives an 05 Passat Wagen TDI.

I drive an 07 A4 Avant Quattro.

Both take 55 litres of fuel.

Hers is 1.05 / litre she gets about 900 km per tankful, around town.

Mine is $1.20 / litre and I gt about 510 km around town.

She drives like she stole something, I drive like there's an egg under my foot.

Her car is a blast to drive.

I wanted one of those, used ones were selling for more than we paid for hers - new.
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Old 12-04-2007, 07:34 PM
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New to this forum this is my first reply....I own a 03 Jetta and 05 passat wagon both diesels....just spole to the local VW dealership the other day and was advised fall of '08. Also heard the cars may be made in China, that is driving the prices of used diesels up.
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Old 12-04-2007, 08:50 PM
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Thanks for all the information, though I'm still pretty confused. It sounds as though late next year, if at all. I don't get it, really. It's hard to imagine VW is holding things back, since I think there is a LOT of pent up demand for these vehicles.

Why would federal and state (California?) regulators be holding these cars back? Doesn't their super high mileage mean that they have less impact on greenhouse gas emissions? And hasn't the particulate problem been addressed by the higher quality fuel now in the US, and new exhaust management? Why are they fine for Europe, and not for the US?

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Old 12-04-2007, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Onno
Thanks for all the information, though I'm still pretty confused. It sounds as though late next year, if at all. I don't get it, really. It's hard to imagine VW is holding things back, since I think there is a LOT of pent up demand for these vehicles.

Why would federal and state (California?) regulators be holding these cars back? Doesn't their super high mileage mean that they have less impact on greenhouse gas emissions? And hasn't the particulate problem been addressed by the higher quality fuel now in the US, and new exhaust management? Why are they fine for Europe, and not for the US?

Onno
The US is getting a new engine, isn't it? Anyway, on the car blogs I follow there were reports a few weeks ago about a delay due to reliability of . . . was it the particulate filter? Anyway, something wasn't passing muster.

I really want to want the new TDi sportswagon, but first generation VWs are scary. My girlfriend had a '99 Jetta and had just about anything that could fall off fall off. VW liked to have their customers test things, I guess. VW's reliability is supposed to be up and the wagon is on sale in Europe, so there's hope things have been worked out. But I'm still nervous.

Ahh - here's a link: http://www.leftlanenews.com/vw-delay...di-launch.html
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Old 12-04-2007, 09:35 PM
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Thanks for all the information, though I'm still pretty confused. It sounds as though late next year, if at all. I don't get it, really. It's hard to imagine VW is holding things back, since I think there is a LOT of pent up demand for these vehicles.

Why would federal and state (California?) regulators be holding these cars back? Doesn't their super high mileage mean that they have less impact on greenhouse gas emissions? And hasn't the particulate problem been addressed by the higher quality fuel now in the US, and new exhaust management? Why are they fine for Europe, and not for the US?
Part of the higher mileage of diesel is due to its higher energy density. That offsets some of the efficiency gains while putting out more particulates and other pollutants like NOx. Even using biodiesel just shifts the pollutants around.

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...l-dilemma.html
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