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[truth]

That was quick. How's your Torelli?

[Clean39T]

Originally Posted by truth

That was quick. How's your Torelli?

You must be new here... ha ha.

Torelli is arriving shortly.

This is an obligatory offer-up, but truth be told, I'd like to build it and have some fun with it on my way to trimming the garage a wee a bit in anticipation of what might be two new customs in 2021 from Mr. Kirk and Mr. Wages.

[lenny]

I thought it was a reference to this:



Nice bike. GLWS.

[bicycletricycle]

Originally Posted by lenny

I thought it was a reference to this:



Nice bike. GLWS.

Tru pimpen

[Clean39T]

Originally Posted by bicycletricycle

Tru pimpen

It's Shaq, not Pippen.

[Michael Maddox]

For what it's worth, I was racing for a Schwinn-sponsored team around this time, and we received Icy Hot embrocation/balm/whatever. So...on a cold morning in north Georgia, a teammate and I smeared this crap all over our legs and stomped around remarking just how GOOD we felt. We even forwent the standard panty-hose (easy to tear off) for the morning. Then, we rolled out....

I have NEVER been colder in my life. EVER. The cold worked INTO me. Everywhere I had touched, even after washing my hands, suddenly was icy fire...my nose, my eyelids, my lips. It was abject misery and I never really raced...just slogged through. I couldn't WAIT to find some way to get the hellish concoction off me. I NEVER touched embrocation again. Still don't.

I DO have a nice Schwinn Icy/Hot Jersey still, though.

[Clean39T]

Originally Posted by Michael Maddox

For what it's worth, I was racing for a Schwinn-sponsored team around this time, and we received Icy Hot embrocation/balm/whatever. So...on a cold morning in north Georgia, a teammate and I smeared this crap all over our legs and stomped around remarking just how GOOD we felt. We even forwent the standard panty-hose (easy to tear off) for the morning. Then, we rolled out....

I have NEVER been colder in my life. EVER. The cold worked INTO me. Everywhere I had touched, even after washing my hands, suddenly was icy fire...my nose, my eyelids, my lips. It was abject misery and I never really raced...just slogged through. I couldn't WAIT to find some way to get the hellish concoction off me. I NEVER touched embrocation again. Still don't.

I DO have a nice Schwinn Icy/Hot Jersey still, though.

I can't imagine spreading IcyHot on my legs like that - yikes!

Need a frameset to go with that jersey? Could figure out some tradeage to keep your numbers steady.. though that doesn't really help me.

[Michael Maddox]

Originally Posted by Clean39T

I can't imagine spreading IcyHot on my legs like that - yikes!

Need a frameset to go with that jersey? Could figure out some tradeage to keep your numbers steady.. though that doesn't really help me.

It's a beautiful bike! I owned one almost identical a few years ago. And the numbers totally work for me...but I have a Wheaties/Schwinn Paramount OS and an Anniversary Paramount...as well as quite a few others. I've got a broken hip and have been TRYING to get rid of some bikes, myself!

[Michael Maddox]

Originally Posted by Clean39T

I can't imagine spreading IcyHot on my legs like that - yikes!

Need a frameset to go with that jersey? Could figure out some tradeage to keep your numbers steady.. though that doesn't really help me.

You aren't HELPING, Dan!

[Clean39T]

Up.

[lavi]

I dig the font.

Wondering how a frame like this would feel compared to a modern steel frame. Is the newer tubing "better"? Do current stuff give a more lively ride?

Assuming say a Kirk and this could be built with identical components, what might a discerning rider feel?

[Clean39T]

Originally Posted by lavi

I dig the font.

Wondering how a frame like this would feel compared to a modern steel frame. Is the newer tubing "better"? Do current stuff give a more lively ride?

Assuming say a Kirk and this could be built with identical components, what might a discerning rider feel?

This one will "plane" more. For a 1986 frameset, it is quite high end and undoubtedly better constructed than the majority of what could be found out there in the production space from the Old World. It looks to have pretty classic stage-race geometry, so handling should be excellent and clearance is at least decent, as opposed to where crit frames went a few years later.

Dave did a nice comparison between an early Serotta Coors team bike and his latest Onesto JKS: http://kirkframeworks.com/2019/04/15...s-kirk-onesto/ . I imagine takeaways would be similar.

[Bici-Sonora]

Originally Posted by lavi

I dig the font.

Wondering how a frame like this would feel compared to a modern steel frame. Is the newer tubing "better"? Do current stuff give a more lively ride?

Assuming say a Kirk and this could be built with identical components, what might a discerning rider feel?

I've ridden a lot of bikes from this era mid-1980s. Beyond geometry, I think the biggest differences in ride feel come down to standard vs. OS tubing. Dan's Kirk has big tubes: double oversize 34.9 DT and a 31.8 TT. To contrast, my 84 Fuso has at 28.6DT and a 25.4TT.

Those bigger diameter tubes give the Kirk a much stiffer feel out of the saddle climbing and sprinting--more like a modern bike made from other materials. On my Fuso, I can make the front derailleur rub when sprinting. The frame really moves around, but not in necessarily in a bad way. I like both bikes a lot, but the the ride characteristics are quite different.

I don't know for sure what the tubing diameters are on this Paramount, but sometime in the late eighties these went to OS tubesets (but still narrower diameter than the super OS on Dan's Kirk) and were typically made from SLX although I've seen them in 753 too.

Dave Kirk has a blog entry that is addresses this question: http://kirkframeworks.com/2019/04/15...s-kirk-onesto/

[Bici-Sonora]

Originally Posted by Clean39T

This one will "plane" more. For a 1986 frameset, it is quite high end and undoubtedly better constructed than the majority of what could be found out there in the production space from the Old World. It looks to have pretty classic stage-race geometry, so handling should be excellent and clearance is at least decent, as opposed to where crit frames went a few years later.

Dave did a nice comparison between an early Serotta Coors team bike and his latest Onesto JKS: http://kirkframeworks.com/2019/04/15...s-kirk-onesto/ . I imagine takeaways would be similar.

You beat me to posting the Kirk comparison. haha.