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Old 10-02-2020, 11:19 AM
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Rivendell's Black Reparations Pricing

https://www.rivbike.com/pages/black-reparations-pricing

Spread the word to increase Black representation in cycling.
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Old 10-02-2020, 11:21 AM
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I can imagine LeBron a Rivendell. Oprah, not so much.
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Old 10-02-2020, 11:25 AM
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I can imagine LeBron a Rivendell. Oprah, not so much.
LeBron's a big cycling advocate! Check out Shaq's 36" wheeled bike.

https://www.bicycling.com/news/a2005...tally-awesome/
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Old 10-02-2020, 11:30 AM
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Shaq's 36" wheeled bike
next to him, it looks like a 26-er
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Old 10-02-2020, 11:34 AM
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Don’t forget Barry Bonds rides! He has some really nice bikes too. Here he is on. Specialized McLaren:



He also has a Pinarello too:



And last week I saw him on a new bright red Specialized Tarmac SL7(?) with Sram AXS like this one:



Barry is a strong rider too!

Good Luck!
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Old 10-02-2020, 11:49 AM
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Really cool program. Good work!
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Old 10-02-2020, 11:57 AM
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The central question undergirding the issue is really important: how to increase minority (specifically Black) populations in a largely white sport. Is this a good solution? I think their heart is in the right place, but I’m not so sure.

I think a much better solution would be to open up bike shops in underserved communities.

This clause is a little problematic for me:

One challenge of BRP is how to prove someone's race. We've ruled out asking for photo-IDs, but we'd still like a way to sniff out white people who try to horn in on it, so for now, we're going with the classic American Honor System. And for repeat customers who we know qualify, we'll have a code to apply at checkout, so they won't have to verify race every time.”

I have a mixed-race friend who is lighter skinned than myself. No questions asked for her?

Again, I think it could be a very interesting conversation, with the caveat that people remain civil.
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Old 10-02-2020, 12:00 PM
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I guess you can self- identify
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Old 10-02-2020, 12:03 PM
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The central question undergirding the issue is really important: how to increase minority (specifically Black) populations in a largely white sport. Is this a good solution? I think their heart is in the right place, but I’m not so sure.

I think a much better solution would be to open up bike shops in underserved communities.

This clause is a little problematic for me:

One challenge of BRP is how to prove someone's race. We've ruled out asking for photo-IDs, but we'd still like a way to sniff out white people who try to horn in on it, so for now, we're going with the classic American Honor System. And for repeat customers who we know qualify, we'll have a code to apply at checkout, so they won't have to verify race every time.”

I have a mixed-race friend who is lighter skinned than myself. No questions asked for her?

Again, I think it could be a very interesting conversation, with the caveat that people remain civil.
I have some experience with this working with an organization that now offers free membership and programming to BIPOC. It’s run fine on honor code and hopefully Riv has the same experience.
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Old 10-02-2020, 12:08 PM
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https://www.rivbike.com/pages/black-reparations-pricing

Spread the word to increase Black representation in cycling.
Preface this by saying I’m not trying to be antagonistic (really, I’m not ). Curious how you see this to increase black representation in cycling?

Would love to hear your deeper thoughts.
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Old 10-02-2020, 12:12 PM
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https://youtu.be/VJmvfbDdhFg?t=143
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Old 10-02-2020, 12:12 PM
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Could be illegal

Not saying this isn't a good thing, but I'm wondering if this is legal. I've included a link to the ACLU web site that discusses this, second bullet point under "Your Rights."

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-right...tional-origin/
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Old 10-02-2020, 12:19 PM
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Preface this by saying I’m not trying to be antagonistic (really, I’m not ). Curious how you see this to increase black representation in cycling?

Would love to hear your deeper thoughts.
The biggest barrier to entry in cycling is by far money. In the states, and I'm sorry if this is not your perception or experience, black POC simply do not have access to resources on the same scale that white people do. They don't have the same access to nutrition, to schooling, to health care, to transportation, to loans, to clean air and water that white families don't even think about.

I worked at a bike shop last year in a very poor and very black neighborhood in Philadelphia. I can't tell you how many people would ride bikes if they could afford them. People's bikes would break and they would buy a skateboard because it was cheaper than a new fork. People would ride walmart or bmx bikes around all day, a lot more than most people on the forum. There is a youth racing program in my neighborhood that mostly serves poor black youth getting into competitive cycling. It is very successful in getting kids linked up with bikes nice enough for them to race on and giving them coaching they'd otherwise be unable to get.

Riv is not cheap, but this is a great way for black people to access nicer bikes than they would otherwise be able to. That's at least their thinking anyways. For a lot of kids, having black role models to look up to in any industry or hobby or sport is incredibly important. Cycling is really lacking those role models.

The worst case scenario for this program is 85 POC a year get a discounted bike.
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Old 10-02-2020, 12:21 PM
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Not saying this isn't a good thing, but I'm wondering if this is legal. I've included a link to the ACLU web site that discusses this, second bullet point under "Your Rights."

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-right...tional-origin/
Please get over this. I don't think it's worth debating the legality of this. I would really hope you don't think white people are legitimately being disenfranchised by this.
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Old 10-02-2020, 12:27 PM
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I have a mixed-race friend who is lighter skinned than myself. No questions asked for her?
If she identifies herself as black then yeah! If she does not identify as black then no. Riv is not trying to play race police. I'm pretty sure it's up to her whether or not she feels comfortable accepting that discount.
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