OT: New article on solving the homeless issue

[old_fat_and_slow]

Related to the Rebecca Twigg thread posted a few weeks back:

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showt...ighlight=twigg

A new article published on the trying to solve the homeless issue. Didn't get a chance to wade through the whole article.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/homel...b04e275d511aba

[commandcomm]

If you give a man a fish, he will feed himself for a day. If you teach a man how to fish, he will feed himself for a lifetime.

[fiamme red]

Originally Posted by commandcomm

If you give a man a fish, he will feed himself for a day. If you teach a man how to fish, he will feed himself for a lifetime.

What if you teach a man to fish, and he has no access to a body of water where he can apply his skill?

[FlashUNC]

Raise the minimum wage. Index it to CPI.

And yes, build housing.

Homelessness is one of the most challenging social problems we face. But it is fixable.

[saab2000]

Originally Posted by FlashUNC

Raise the minimum wage. Index it to CPI.

As a point of reference, the minimum wage in a place like the Bay area of LA or NYC isn't necessarily going to be the same as it would be in a place like where I grew up in NE Wisconsin.

If we do this as a society it needs to be nuanced. Just an arbitrary $xx/hour isn't the solution. It needs to be more thought out than the politicians bleat on the campaign trail. IMHO.

Also, it's not only monetary. Mental health, addiction (part of mental health), domestic violence, etc. are big parts of this equation.

[mtechnica]

Higher taxes on the rich
Much higher taxes on big corps (now they mostly pay nothing)
Universal healthcare (help with addiction and mental health)
Free public college education
Decriminalize all drugs
Build more high density housing in heavily populated areas

[pasadena]

But then we can't pay for corporate welfare.
You know G6's don't run on water. How are execs supossed to fly to Monaco? Commercial??
C'mon have a heart.

Originally Posted by mtechnica

Higher taxes on the rich
Much higher taxes on big corps (now they mostly pay nothing)
Universal healthcare (help with addiction and mental health)
Free public college education
Decriminalize all drugs
Build more high density housing in heavily populated areas

[eddief]

"Here's how many millionaires there are in the U.S. The United States added 700,000 new millionaire households in 2017, according to a new report from the Spectrem Group. The U.S. now has close to 11 million millionaires, up 6 percent from 2016, according to data from the Spectrum Group's Market Insights Report 2018."

Originally Posted by mtechnica

Higher taxes on the rich
Much higher taxes on big corps (now they mostly pay nothing)
Universal healthcare (help with addiction and mental health)
Free public college education
Decriminalize all drugs
Build more high density housing in heavily populated areas

[Ozz]

Originally Posted by mtechnica

Higher taxes on the rich
Much higher taxes on big corps (now they mostly pay nothing)
Universal healthcare (help with addiction and mental health)
Free public college education
Decriminalize all drugs
Build more high density housing in heavily populated areas

Sounds good, but higher taxes on businesses just mean the additional cost of doing business gets passed onto the consumer / customer....

I'd be more inclined to have restrictions on executive compensation, dividends to shareholders, payroll as percentage of revenue ratios, etc...

Of course, then the big companies just move overseas (legally or physically) to less restrictive countries....

[mcteague]

Originally Posted by commandcomm

If you give a man a fish, he will feed himself for a day. If you teach a man how to fish, he will feed himself for a lifetime.

"Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring."
–Desmond Tutu



Tim

[unterhausen]

build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Most of the chronic homeless have some kind of mental illness that precludes them from being hired or keeping a job. In fact, it's incredibly hard to get a job when you are homeless. Anyone that has looked for a job while not having a job should know this pretty well, add the extra problems of homeless on top of it and it's virtually impossible.

[FlashUNC]

Originally Posted by saab2000

As a point of reference, the minimum wage in a place like the Bay area of LA or NYC isn't necessarily going to be the same as it would be in a place like where I grew up in NE Wisconsin.

If we do this as a society it needs to be nuanced. Just an arbitrary $xx/hour isn't the solution. It needs to be more thought out than the politicians bleat on the campaign trail. IMHO.

Also, it's not only monetary. Mental health, addiction (part of mental health), domestic violence, etc. are big parts of this equation.

Sure. But for starters I'll take a minimum wage indexed to CPI that's changed more recently than Clinton's first term.

Any kind of local standards already exist, but would only be helped by a more rational national wage level.

[Ralph]

I have a friend who is a manager of a Publix Super Market store...a SE chain of grocery stores. His store is a medium size in their chain....and he employs about 520 people....mostly part time....by company policy. He has kinda given up on hiring unemployed adults, and mostly gets his part time workers from college kids...who need flexible hours around their class hours.

To work there....one needs to be able to apply on a touch screen machine in their "jobs" center. IE....some minimum computer type skills. Be able to follow directions on the touch screen.

They need a good address. They need some way he can contact them....Phone number usually.

They need to have good hygiene….and no tats they can't cover up. Bathe and shower. Clean clothes, Clean shaved or trimmed facial hair.

Need transportation to work....so he can depend on them. Not enough mass transit for night shifts.

Staring pay is about $9-$10.....no benefits. But he always can hire people for unloading trucks, produce, stocking shelfs, etc. Takes 3-4 working to pay for an apartment.

I could go on and on about the problems of hiring homeless.....the "teach them how to fish" philosophy.....but how does that really work for many?

It's a complicated subject.

[notsew]

Originally Posted by old_fat_and_slow

A new article published on the trying to solve the homeless issue. Didn't get a chance to wade through the whole article.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/homel...b04e275d511aba

Hey! One of my best friends wrote that article!

He's a super smart & insightful guy, you should read some of his other stuff!!

https://michaelhobbes.contently.com/

[jamesdak]

Originally Posted by mtechnica

Higher taxes on the rich
Much higher taxes on big corps (now they mostly pay nothing)
Universal healthcare (help with addiction and mental health)
Free public college education
Decriminalize all drugs
Build more high density housing in heavily populated areas

No one had ever been able to show me how it's fair to tax someone more just because they make more money. Total B.S. The only fair tax is a flat rate. I get so sick of hearing tax the rich, tax the rich.

And free, free, free, is anything but. Enabling failure is what it is.