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Old 07-28-2019, 11:14 PM
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I've done a lot of TT's and never once have I thought about the aesthetics of the frame when racing one.
But then you have to look at it when you're not racing it, unless you keep it under sheets in the garage.
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Old 07-28-2019, 11:22 PM
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By the way, this Opera is a good deal for anyone rides a 56cm and doesn't mind having only 10 speeds and rim brakes: https://www.excelsports.com/main.asp...jor=1&minor=35.
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Old 07-29-2019, 12:53 AM
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holy time warp, batman!

wiggins....best bike throw ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng4i...b&index=2&t=0s
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Old 07-29-2019, 03:12 AM
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the graal was a great bike. very very fragile though and its geometry was designed for time trialists who liked to row their bike, use the bars as an additional point of leverage, and recruit fast twitch muscles.

this thing would make a pretty awful triathlon bike. it's too slack, too stiff, and its carbon is really thin.

still- this was an amazing bicycle for its time. you can't really get anything faster even today if you're a time trialist in the old school mold of say- a Michael Rich.

i don't post here often- but i wanted to thank the op for pointing this thing out- it's so cheap for what it is- i'm really tempted to buy one. those bars themselves were $1200 when they came out.

i need it like a hole in the head. i can build a skinnier and faster tt bike myself- but damn- those things were damn cool.
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:48 AM
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Excel is not a grey market seller. They are a very reputable Pinarello dealer.
Correct, they use the same US distributors as most LBS in the US..they get 'deals' cuz they buy in quantity but they are legit and deal with 'normal' product. While they DO sell online, they are a LBS in Boulder with the same displayed stuff and services as most any other BS is Boulder or Denver. Now, their wrenching 'may' be suspect concerning their Cervelo/Campag 12s thread, but they are a 'bike shop' in every sense of the word.

Planet Cyclery, now they are a 'different' animal..I'd stay away from them unless it's something that will NEVER need a warranty.
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Old 07-29-2019, 07:49 AM
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Remember when Excel Sports printed catalog had legitimate steel bikes like Gios, and also (what seemed at the time like) a house-brand of crappy plastic bikes called Cervelo (just like PricePoint had Sette)? Those were the days.

Excel Sports is legit as legit gets.
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:33 AM
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Remember when Excel Sports printed catalog had legitimate steel bikes like Gios, and also (what seemed at the time like) a house-brand of crappy plastic bikes called Cervelo (just like PricePoint had Sette)? Those were the days.

Excel Sports is legit as legit gets.
Always liked the Colorado Cyclist catalog too! Litespeeds, Merckx, etc etc
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:02 AM
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Buy an Ultegra group and you have pro quality TT bike for less than $2000 minus wheels and a full frame warranty. With a good fitting, you can be as aero all but a few top riders. The only thing holding you back from sub 60 min tt's would be your own fitness.

If you are in the market for a tt bike, how is that not a good deal?
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do not buy this bike thinking you will win a tt.

ever.

it is dog**** slow. you’re better off on a round-tubed bike. i was a pina-sponsored rider. i had to ride it. it was bad.

also, the integrated cockpit is worse than the bike. we swapped them all.
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:06 AM
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the graal was a great bike. ...

still- this was an amazing bicycle for its time. you can't really get anything faster even today if you're a time trialist in the old school mold of say- a Michael Rich.

i don't post here often- but i wanted to thank the op for pointing this thing out- it's so cheap for what it is- i'm really tempted to buy one. those bars themselves were $1200 when they came out.
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no

do not buy this bike thinking you will win a tt.

ever.

it is dog**** slow. you’re better off on a round-tubed bike. i was a pina-sponsored rider. i had to ride it. it was bad.

also, the integrated cockpit is worse than the bike. we swapped them all.
lol. conflicting stories conflict.
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:21 AM
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Planet Cyclery, now they are a 'different' animal..I'd stay away from them unless it's something that will NEVER need a warranty.
I bought tires from them. They arrived out of the boxes, stuffed into an envelope, with the actual boxes folded up & stuffed in with them. They were fine, but that was a bit disconcerting.
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:29 AM
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I think the bigger deal at Excel Sports is right here:

https://www.excelsports.com/main.asp...ajor=5&minor=1
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:32 AM
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I think the bigger deal at Excel Sports is right here:

https://www.excelsports.com/main.asp...ajor=5&minor=1
Some mixed imagery here:

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One of the highlights of any great ride is dismounting your steed and peeling those shoes and socks off of your feet. Once complete, you can then slip your hoofs into the soft and comfortable Assos Flip Flops, and reflect upon all the joys that post ride nirvana has to offer.
So who is the horse, the bicycle or the rider?
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Old 07-29-2019, 01:16 PM
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Bro' this IS my "circle of knowledgeable friends." The guys I ride with don't know **** about hardware.
So true!
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Old 07-29-2019, 01:16 PM
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Old 07-29-2019, 08:03 PM
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But then you have to look at it when you're not racing it, unless you keep it under sheets in the garage.
You guys are killin' me.
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