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[FlashUNC]

Originally Posted by Keith A

So how much help does Salbutamol provide?

For a completely anecdotal experience from a couple years ago:

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showt...99#post1821599

I was like Froome, but sick, fat and ignorant to the science. Did help me feel better on the bike though after the illness.

[montag]

Originally Posted by Keith A

So how much help does Salbutamol provide?

Here's a systematic review on the subject.

"In conclusion, no significant effects were detected for inhaled β2-agonists on endurance, strength or sprint performance in healthy athletes. There is some evidence indicating that systemic β2-agonists may have a positive effect on physical performance in healthy subjects, but the evidence base is weak."

I suspect these guys are using them IV (systemic)...

[shovelhd]

Originally Posted by m4rk540

Don't ride at 95% of your maximum heart rate as 99% of people who ride bicycles. Or to put it another way, why participate in an activity which potentially damages your health. I don't know you and I wouldn't want you to injure yourself, regardless of the availability of an inhaler or other medication.

I'm proud to be a 1%er.

There's plenty of racers on this forum, some even have EIA. Your lecture rings hollow.

[shovelhd]

Originally Posted by montag

Here's a systematic review on the subject.

"In conclusion, no significant effects were detected for inhaled β2-agonists on endurance, strength or sprint performance in healthy athletes. There is some evidence indicating that systemic β2-agonists may have a positive effect on physical performance in healthy subjects, but the evidence base is weak."

I suspect these guys are using them IV (systemic)...

Which would be against the rules.

[shovelhd]

Originally Posted by Quilts

I've seen this thrown around a few times in this thread and just wanted to clear this up, but inhalation of Salbutamol through an inhaler does not require a TUE per UCI regulations (See article 5). So regardless of other feelings on the matter, this was not an abuse of the TUE systems as it stands.

I believe a TUE is required for any amounts above the 1600 micrograms per day limit or taking sulbutamol via injection or orally. I don't believe Froome has a TUE for this, which is where his trouble is coming from.

My point is that 1600 mcg is an unusually large amount of this drug to take in a day.

[choke]

As is typical, INRNG has a good synopsis... http://inrng.com/2017/12/chris-froomes-salbutamol-case/

[livingminimal]

Originally Posted by shovelhd

No you didn't, and I didn't accuse you of that. What you did was accuse all of us that competed at the top of our sport, whether amateur or pro, of cheating.

Are you putting yourself in the same class as 7/8 digit earning WT GC riders?

Or were you talking about another sport?

Ahh top of the amateur sport.

got it now.

[merlincustom1]

Originally Posted by marciero

Actually you asked if Sky said what they said ; )

Yep. Precision in language. Lovin’ it.

[54ny77]

Is it just me or does anyone else think of of a cured meat (salami) when seeing the word Salbutamol?

"Yo, Vinny, gimme a hoagie with some lettuce, to-mate, oil-vinegar, oregano, pro-vah-LONE, gobba-gool, and while yer at it trow some prah-shoot on dair and a handful of the salbutawhatever. Tanks!"

[weisan]

like the stock market, by the time it hits the press, it's old news.

recycled materials.

hit automatic playback.

72 hours ago....

Lappartient (on the phone): "hey davey, we got a problem."

Brailsford: "Really? what's the problem?"

L: "the guys at the lab found something."

B: "Ok, so what?"

L: "someone leaked it to outside."

B: "hmmmm....(long pause) I think you need to fix this."

L: "I cannot....not this time. I just become President."

B: "&^%^%$&^^*"

Can someone else pick up the rest of the script?

[simplemind]

Originally Posted by weisan

like the stock market, by the time it hits the press, it's old news.

recycled materials.

hit automatic playback.

72 hours ago....

Lappartient (on the phone): "hey davey, we got a problem."

Brailsford: "Really? what's the problem?"

L: "the guys at the lab found something."

B: "Ok, so what?"

L: "someone leaked it to outside."

B: "hmmmm....(long pause) I think you need to fix this."

L: "I cannot....not this time. I just become President."

B: "&^%^%$&^^*"

Can someone else pick up the rest of the script?

Very good! LoL'd!

[DCilliams]

This is already making the rounds

[CunegoFan]

Originally Posted by DCilliams

This is already making the rounds

So is this one.

[cal_len1]

A few things come to mind when I heard this:
- How are we just hearing about this now? It happened at the Vuelta, a few months ago. When there is a less famous rider busted, you hear about it before their B sample has been ran.
- If he had taken that much, how was his heart not beating a million miles an hour? I'm a lifetime asthma sufferer, and I have doctors tell me all the time that it will raise your heart rate. Also, when taken in a large dose, I get the shakes, and apparently that's normal.

Also, this is a really good analysis on what happened and what is to come:
http://sportsscientists.com/2017/12/...utamol-result/

And background on why athletes have asthma
https://cyclingtips.com/2016/04/why-...s-have-asthma/

[DCilliams]

Originally Posted by CunegoFan

So is this one.

Holy Sh*t that's hilarious