Neutral Shoe Similar to S-Works Torch

[krooj]

Title says it all - I hate the forefoot varus compensation built into the Torch shoes I have. It gives me a sensation that I’m sliding off the side of the shoe and drives me bonkers, but I otherwise love the fit. Who makes a similar shoe without this nonsense? Can I simply shim the forefoot in an inverted pattern to remove the compensation?


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[Turkle]

Originally Posted by krooj

Title says it all - Can I simply shim the forefoot in an inverted pattern to remove the compensation?

I use these same shoes and my fitter put a small wedge in my right shoe. With the combination of the small wedge and the Body Geometry insoles (I use the blue ones) I'm all gravy. Mine is in the heel but I can only imagine something similar could be done to the forefoot.

[weiwentg]

You can use the varus shim inside the shoe to neutralize it. But this does reduce the shoe's volume, and that may not be comfortable for you. The S-Works shoes in general don't work for me for unknown reasons. While trying to make a pair work, I did try the varus shims, but that actually made the shoes worse.

[sweitee]

Is the thing you like about the s-works torches the larger toe box and base plate? If so, I think Bont shoes may be worth looking into for you.

[ajjr]

I've 3d printed shims under the cleat to give me that angle without changing the internal volume, but you could do the same to remove that angle.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2768405

[weiwentg]

Originally Posted by ajjr

I've 3d printed shims under the cleat to give me that angle without changing the internal volume, but you could do the same to remove that angle.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2768405

In the Spesh shoes, only the forefoot has a varus angle. You can see the wedge built in if you take the insole out. It definitely covers the forefoot only. With a shim under the cleat, you are angling the entire foot. I don't know that these two will combine well.

[catchourbreath]

I went from Torch to Sphyre and so far so good

[krooj]

Originally Posted by catchourbreath

I went from Torch to Sphyre and so far so good

How's the width? The torch has a real sweet spot in terms of forefoot space (for me). In terms of Bont or Lake, I'm pretty tepid - the Leather they use is less than ideal for a shoe that ought to be very rigid, and I find the sloppy uppers lend themselves to fussing with the Boa throughout the ride.

[catchourbreath]

Originally Posted by krooj

How's the width? The torch has a real sweet spot in terms of forefoot space (for me). In terms of Bont or Lake, I'm pretty tepid - the Leather they use is less than ideal for a shoe that ought to be very rigid, and I find the sloppy uppers lend themselves to fussing with the Boa throughout the ride.

I had thought Torch wide was the shoe for me but I found them too roomy after a bit. The Sphyre seem plenty wide for my weird foot and the dual boa allows for adjustment without hot spots.. Previously had Bonts which I rather liked for molding around bony bits of my foot but that generation Vaypor with ratchet strap kinda fell apart after a while.

[ajjr]

Originally Posted by weiwentg

In the Spesh shoes, only the forefoot has a varus angle. You can see the wedge built in if you take the insole out. It definitely covers the forefoot only. With a shim under the cleat, you are angling the entire foot. I don't know that these two will combine well.

Ahh, I didn't know that. Thanks