future of campy and lower gearing?

[robertbb]

You really are a tease, man!

Some good bargains around now and I'm holding off to see what Campy unveils.

[Dino Suegiù]

Originally Posted by Mark McM

According to the Campagnolo 2020 Spare Parts Catalog, that is correct for 11 speed - Super Record, Record & Chorus all use the same chainring part numbers. But for 12 speed, Super Record and Record share the same part numbers, but Chorus has a different set of part numbers.

The Campagnolo technical manuals support this as well:

Ultra-Torque Crankset 11-Speed
Super Record 11; Record 11; Chorus 11; H 11; Potenza 11; Centaur:
BCD: 112mm / 145mm
Chainrings: 50/34; 52/36; 53/39


Ultra-Torque Crankset 12-Speed
Super Record 12s; Record 12s:
BCD: 112mm / 145mm
Chainrings: 50/34; 52/36; 53/39
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Chorus 12s:
BCD: 96mm / 123mm
Chainrings: 48/32; 50/34; 52/36

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by AngryScientist

i wonder how the market for 1x in europe compares to the market for 1x in the US?

or the market for gravel in general?

seems in the US, gravel is the new hot segment - is this consistent across the pond? is there an explosion of gravel racing and fondo type events in europe like we have here?

what about asia market?

No to both. Campag is trying to make inroads into the US market but in reality, in spite of the GRoad bike 'noise', it's a teeny, tiny segment and mostly in the US..almost non existent in Asia. Big difference is things like L 'Eroica, which is YUGE, and oh my goodness, has big stretches on 'gravel' and not a GROAD bike in sight. Fondos attract thousands, still...road bikes.

The whole "purpose driven bike" gig has been going on for decades in this, very flat, world wide bicycle market...

[thirdgenbird]

Potenza is no longer shown on the Campagnolo website. I suspect that means the new stuff is close.

[Coffee Rider]

Originally Posted by thirdgenbird

Potenza is no longer shown on the Campagnolo website. I suspect that means the new stuff is close.

Good. That gives us something to talk about. I’m just hoping that I like the new stuff more than the old stuff.


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[Kentf14]

Fingers crossed for something a little better looking. Have been clinging to my 2014 SR but expect a new bike in the spring and would love a sexy new gruppo.

Originally Posted by Coffee Rider

Good. That gives us something to talk about. I’m just hoping that I like the new stuff more than the old stuff.


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[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by thirdgenbird

Potenza is no longer shown on the Campagnolo website. I suspect that means the new stuff is close.

Ok, so I'm pretty sure this isn't part of the NDA I signed... Centaur will be the new Potenza. It'll be available in Silver and Black. 11 speed with all the same gearing options as Potenza.

[thirdgenbird]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Ok, so I'm pretty sure this isn't part of the NDA I signed... Centaur will be the new Potenza. It'll be available in Silver and Black. 11 speed with all the same gearing options as Potenza.

Is centaur getting the better RD and discs?

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by thirdgenbird

Is centaur getting the better RD and discs?

It's listed as mechanical and rim brake only. It doesn't show the rear derailleur so I can't answer specifics 100%.

[thirdgenbird]

Interesting. There didn’t seem to be much other than the option of discs separating the two groups. Branding the potenza hydro bits as centaur would have been a simple way to merge the two offerings and offer disc top to bottom. Going without does limit SKUs though. Happy to hear silver is sticking around. Both centaur finishes (and logos) looked nicer than potenza to me.

What is list price on a full Centaur group?

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by thirdgenbird

Potenza is no longer shown on the Campagnolo website. I suspect that means the new stuff is close.

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Page 98

https://www.campagnolo.com/media/fil...0-2021-ENG.pdf

[AngryScientist]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Ok, so I'm pretty sure this isn't part of the NDA I signed... Centaur will be the new Potenza. It'll be available in Silver and Black. 11 speed with all the same gearing options as Potenza.

This was already the case, there is a current silver and black centaur, so nothing new there.

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

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Page 98

https://www.campagnolo.com/media/fil...0-2021-ENG.pdf

but it's now gone from the website. makes sense that they would condense two essentially identical groups, potenza and centaur - especially if something brand new is coming.

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

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Page 98

https://www.campagnolo.com/media/fil...0-2021-ENG.pdf

This catalog will be obsolete come the 15th of July. New stuff is being dropped on the 15th or 19th of the next 3 months.

[thirdgenbird]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

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Page 98

https://www.campagnolo.com/media/fil...0-2021-ENG.pdf

Yeah, still in catalog but off website. I am guessing we will see the catalog get updated after the new releases are all announced. A website allows for dynamic updates. Trying to do this with a catalog would be time consuming and confusing.

[nachetetm]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Ok, so I'm pretty sure this isn't part of the NDA I signed... Centaur will be the new Potenza. It'll be available in Silver and Black. 11 speed with all the same gearing options as Potenza.

This is killing me! I need lower gearing and I was about to purchase an almost new potenza HO groupset with compact cranks , long cage and 11-32 cassette to replace my 52-36 12-29 short cage group, but if something 12 spd and silver appears I may wait. What do you think, should I wait?