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07-22-2019, 06:21 PM
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It dismisses the false narrative that the womens pro peloton is slow and they are not world class cyclists.
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They got their quotes and left. I'm not defending their laziness, just adding info here. https://twitter.com/MarkCavendish/st...17314605064193 Quote:
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07-22-2019, 08:10 PM
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#22
07-22-2019, 09:14 PM
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This coming from someone who likes watching the Woman's race as much as the men. The women races are full gas from the start. Thank big Baby Jesus for Redbull channel and the woman's MTB XC pro race. I hate watching Nino dominate race after race..
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#23
07-22-2019, 09:27 PM
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It's an intersting metric, as both ran the same climb, the same day.
All the women on the podium and deeper, just came off the Giro Rosa 8 stages of hard racing, finishing up the equivalent of the Zoncolan, just a day or two before and did the longest block of stage racing they will all season. This is not a disservice to womens racing. It shows the comparable speeds, on the same day on the same course. The disservice to womens racing is marginalizing it with baseless attacks. With data like this, it serves to show the women are indeed world class. It's useful in shutting down naysayers. Quote:
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#24
07-22-2019, 09:44 PM
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TT v non TT stage; numbers of stages in legs already; number of km in the legs prior to the segment; etc. None of these are the same; thus there really isn't any meaningful comparison to be made. Which again, to reiterate @denapista's point, does not negate or detract from women's racing. It's a physiological fact that even normalized for mass, the best female climber does 1 w/kg less than the best male climber at FTP. As exertions of all other duration are more or less at a comparable percentage of FTP, it naturally follows that a) the best woman can't be as fast as the best man, all other conditions equal, which also means that if the results are the same, something else is so tilted one way as to make any comparison lacking in meaning. But, to reiterate again, this slower riding gets a "so what" reaction from me. No, the best female classics riders can't blast up the Oude Kwaremont and Patersberg as fast as the best male classics riders, but that hardly matters. That original twitter post is completely useless. It reminds me of people who'd massage and embellish a set of facts to try to make their arguments more convincing when there's no need to embellish in the first place. Women's racing can and does stand on its own merits. Sure, it's a bit slower, but speed per se really isn't what drives tension and excitement in the first place, or else any obstacle that reduces speed (e.g. bad road surface, hills, altitude) would have been eliminated for the sake of speed per se. An attack is still an attack, a daring breakaway is still a daring breakaway, and to be caught after so many kilos in a break is still a shame, regardless of the speed of the rider. I have been watching most women's racing ever since they became more readily available, and I will continue to watch, regardless of whether they might be slower than the men. Just don't try to tell me that those two efforts are in any way, shape, or form comparable. I'll add that we've seen something similar before, namely how Van Vleuten bested all but two men on Strava for her stage finish on the Izoard in 2017. The article is written with little context given, and it's only when one digs a little that it becomes clear that there's a lot of cherry picking going on. First was that a lot of male riders don't post on strava. Surely those who finished the last segments within 1 min of Bardet would have climbed that segment faster, but they aren't on Strava, so the narrative became Van Vleuten became third best. By that logic, I was once 2nd best to Joe Dombrowski on a popular climb in the Virginia Blue Ridges, but there would have been at least a hundred riders from the local area who could climb faster than I did at the time. Then there's the lack of parity for the courses; the men having tackled an extra cat-1 climb and 60 more kilos than the women did, which surely dented things. Put both groups on the same course, and the climbing time would again not favor Van Vleuten. Lastly, there's the selective picking of the climbing segment, which was the final 3 miles of the climb. Zoom out to the final 5 miles, all the sudden there are more who finished faster than she did on that day. The men went full bore from further out, while she was able to go at a lower intensity for longer before unleashing, but overall, her speed was still lower. And the thing is, her relatively slower climbing speed really doesn't matter all that much in terms of the entertainment factor, but there are some who go for the embellishing regardless... I know why people wrote the original headlines, but it was really intellectually dishonest. Same applies to the situation here... Last edited by echappist; 07-22-2019 at 10:09 PM.
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#25
07-22-2019, 10:13 PM
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"This picture is not quite the full story. It’s taken from the interview truck, from where interviews are broadcast back to the press room, where journalists can ask questions. This was the case with Vos - I am told there were 15 or so journalists in the press room asking questions. Meanwhile, a lot of other journalists, including me, were at the buses interviewing riders there. For TV (and the podcast) the press conference is pointless - we can’t use the audio from it. Rose was waiting outside the truck to interview Vos there (as you’ll hear in Monday’s Km0). So, a misleading picture. Which is disappointing."
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#26
07-22-2019, 10:14 PM
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And Orla from Eurosport's tweet- https://twitter.com/sportsorla/statu...43740473528322
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07-22-2019, 10:31 PM
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Like echappist said, useless tweet.
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#28
07-22-2019, 11:10 PM
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