New Shimano Dura Ace/Ultegra Releases?

[cyan]

Considering Shimano usually has a 3-yr product cycle and the last series (9100/8000) were released three years ago, and the fact that SRAM has started discounting their AXS groupsets released last year, shall we expect new Shimano releases in the coming weeks? Or is it going to be 2021 given the Covid disruption and their Centennial?

More specifically, is Di2 finally going (some sort of) wireless or what? What have you heard/seen? Let's get the rumor mill started

[echappist]

There is already a thread on just this topic

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showt...t=di2+wireless

[benb]

Shimano is waiting till you finish building your new bike project with the current stuff.

As soon as you finish they'll release the new stuff and make sure it's completely incompatible with the stuff you hung on your new bike.

[ddtn]

Wiggle had 9100 down to £799 for a while. They are trying to get rid of stock.

Pretty sure we will see 12 cogs on the pro tour bikes later in summer. Not sure if it makes sense to release it then, but also not sure if Shimano want to be three years behind the Italians...

[Mark McM]

Originally Posted by ddtn

Pretty sure we will see 12 cogs on the pro tour bikes later in summer. Not sure if it makes sense to release it then, but also not sure if Shimano want to be three years behind the Italians...

Well, they were several years behind the "the Italians" in releasing 10spd and 11spd, so why should 12spd be any different?

[benb]

As if 11 speed vs 12 speed means Campy-equipped riders are winning more races...

[Dave]

Originally Posted by benb

As if 11 speed vs 12 speed means Campy-equipped riders are winning more races...

It does mean that old guys can get up hills easier. 48/32 with 11-34 Chorus 12.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by benb

As if 11 speed vs 12 speed means Campy-equipped riders are winning more races...

Big 😔

[benb]

Originally Posted by Dave

It does mean that old guys can get up hills easier. 48/32 with 11-34 Chorus 12.

They could have made that gearing with 9-speed if they wanted to.

I was just referring to the obvious marketing tie-ins with the Pro Tour.

The whole thing with marketing to riders who want 48/32 + 11-34 in the top line racing trim through sponsorship in the Pro Tour is suspect to me.

The big thing that seems to have changed is the equipment manufactures seem to have realized they can market Dura Ace and Record to everyone of all abilities/speeds/fitness levels whereas in the past they thought it was silly to build those groups in anything but configurations that racers were using. They went from tools to jewels.

[bfd]

Originally Posted by benb

They could have made that gearing with 9-speed if they wanted to.

I was just referring to the obvious marketing tie-ins with the Pro Tour.

The whole thing with marketing to riders who want 48/32 + 11-34 in the top line racing trim through sponsorship in the Pro Tour is suspect to me.

The big thing that seems to have changed is the equipment manufactures seem to have realized they can market Dura Ace and Record to everyone of all abilities/speeds/fitness levels whereas in the past they thought it was silly to build those groups in anything but configurations that racers were using. They went from tools to jewels.

I don’t know, is Campy really marketing its wide gears as “racing?!” One thing about the pro tour is all the teams seem to be using e-shifting. It’s my understanding that currently Campy is only offering its EPS in Super Record form and that the 48/32 and 11-34 combo is only available in Chorus mechanical. So where is the “racing” connection?!

Good Luck!

[Coffee Rider]

Originally Posted by bfd

I don’t know, is Campy really marketing its wide gears as “racing?!” One thing about the pro tour is all the teams seem to be using e-shifting. It’s my understanding that currently Campy is only offering its EPS in Super Record form and that the 48/32 and 11-34 combo is only available in Chorus mechanical. So where is the “racing” connection?!

Good Luck!

I don't see Campy as marketing the smaller gearing as racing gearing, but people who want the wider range of gears are still influenced by seeing what the Pro Teams ride. They could still swap out rings and run a 32x32 on SR EPS, which is kind of close to what mortals get on a 32x34. You might be able to run 32x34 on SR EPS if you spend even more and get one of the aftermarket products. Part of the appeal of Campy is the racing heritage, though I recognize that what Pro Teams ride is based on sponsors and what other types of deals can be had for non-sponsored products. EPS is now only in SR because that's what was selling best.

I'm really interested in seeing the new Shimano stuff, but at least my next three projects for 2021 and 2022 will be Campy.

[TheseGoTo11]

I’d rather see 3 rings than 12 cogs.

[robertbb]

Originally Posted by Dave

It does mean that old guys can get up hills easier. 48/32 with 11-34 Chorus 12.

If I had a dollar for every time you've spruiked your setup...

[mcteague]

Originally Posted by benb

Shimano is waiting till you finish building your new bike project with the current stuff.

As soon as you finish they'll release the new stuff and make sure it's completely incompatible with the stuff you hung on your new bike.

Tim

[J.Higgins]

I'd just love to see Shimano make classic silver components available again.