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12-09-2019, 07:15 PM
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12-09-2019, 07:18 PM
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new one to me...pollock as a tool via the cia?...it never had anything to do with intelligence...it was called promoting american aesthetics...as if we were worldy...and we had something to say of value...we no longer do really...but of course...
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12-09-2019, 07:20 PM
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Colker, cash,
You guys would probably appreciate MONA- Museum of Old and new Art in Hobart Tasmania. Amazing place- including a poop machine. If you don't know about it and its founder , David Walsh, it is worth spending a while on the web reading up on it. Walsh was/is a strange genius who made a fortune in on-line gambling and has spent a good part of his money on this purpose built Museum- without government funding- a rarity in Australia. MONA is credited with almost single-handedly transforming Hobart and the whole state economy.
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12-09-2019, 07:23 PM
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I heard some nice similar stories from Damien Hirst. I don´t know if i like his art but seems he is a good guy. He takes people in need under his wing and helps them w/ his work. Like he meets a gallerist in Mexico and the guy is broke. So Hirst gives him sales exclusivity and the guy goes to the top. Artists can and should do it: value the fragile powerless and ignore the powerfull.
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somewhat related......was in Santa Fe this past weekend and made sure we hit up Meow Wolf. Talk about a mind blowing art collective. I always favor art that leans more creative vs. shock value....and it has that in spades. Totally worth a trip just to see it if you haven't been. The Floozies concert there the same night was an added bonus.
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__________________
"I am just a blacksmith" - Dario Pegoretti
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12-10-2019, 04:38 AM
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The article says the CIA acted in the manner of rennaissance princes. Not exactly: Borgias and Bentivoglios hired artists and had them work full time. Anyway... the european avant garde was highly politized. From Picasso to Aragon they flirted and connected w/ the communist party. Otoh Dali, the original midia shockster, and Duchamp were never communists. Both went to America. Duchamp went to live and work in NYC. Both abhorred abstract expressionism and that particular american avant garde; the euros had left optical dynamics and were working w/ symbols, double meaning of words, icons. There was a cultural war but not communist x capitalist culture; it was surrealism x abstractionism. Greenberg was the american critic connecting the painters who were on that bus to Europe. Their hegemony did not last long: another american movement, very influenced by Duchamp´s ready mades succeeded... minimalism. NYC was already the avant garde capital and Paris was gone forever. Dali and his ant eater in Paris. Last edited by colker; 12-10-2019 at 04:49 AM.
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 This performance art is another good one. The "music" starts at about 2min if you are in a hurry to get to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr9YnBaZBgc
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