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WHO WROTE THIS and when is the public flogging?
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oh my god is this real?
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Rivelo sells those motherlovin' hatchets and charcoal soap, but no Italian licorice toothpaste?
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Sounds like he typo'd or mis-spoke, simply confusing the toptube with the downtube. So I'm assuming that the frame having all three main tubes at 1-1/8" would be sufficiently stiff, as he claimed.
Quite easy to do while typing and thinking at the same time, I know because I've corrected plenty of posts where words got misplaced and might have even reversed the meaning of what I intended to say. Scary to think of the times when I didn't discover such a typo right away, or at all! And what he was apparently saying in the other instance about reach was that the higher handlebar simulates a shorter reach dimension in that one's shoulders get pushed up and back either way. Also, if the headset is positioned at a higher location on their frames, the published "reach" dimension will be smaller due to the headtube sloping rearward, since the height where the reach dimension is made would be higher. |
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1) grammar, grammar, GRAMMAR.
2) reach calculation takes headtube height into account. 3) I'm no materials engineer but i'm 99.9% sure you cant measure the stiffness of a bike frame by adding up the diameters of the 3 main tubes. Am I taking crazy pills over here? This whole thing is bonkers to try to read. |
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Grant is responsible for me buying an Atlantis and convincing me to try the 650b Koolaid, Albatross bars, fatter tires and various other things I am grateful for and still use on all my bikes in one way shape or form. $10? I spend that much or more on a six pack of bear and think nothing of it.
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"Am I taking crazy pills over here? This whole thing is bonkers to try to read."
No, you're hijacking the thread. Elrond and the elves are threatening to leave Middle Earth.....er.....Grant and his crew are experiencing financial hardships and need money to stay in business. Stay on topic. |
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I might be wrong about this. I like the looks of Riv bikes and that Joe Bell does the painting (is this still accurate?) but the overall Riv concept seems a bit stale and the market is making a correction.
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My reply (below) to a similar thread across the hall-where people are more POSITIVE and willing to help than some of the posts I’ve read here. Don’t want to help? Then don’t, but why kick a small company when their down?
C’mon Paceliners, we’re better than that. --------- I’m on it. I called Rivendell when they just started, to ask about compatibility of some part (Suntour brake set?) with my RB-2. To my surprise, Grant answered, and we talked for about an hour about opening a small business (I had just done so also), east coast, west coast, trail riding, etc etc. Been a fan ever since. I too have a BOB change purse, as well as a membership card with a hand written number on the back someplace… ..and I’m still riding my RB-2. |
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I believe it was grant Petersen that came up with the Bridgestone rb1 and rb2, very successful frames for amateur racing that were competitive with more expensive European frames. They were very popular and are still sought after. Also, wasn’t it him that came up with the mb1? A lot of people held those in high regard. And remember bridgestones lineup of touring bikes?
And then... he went and started making very expensive bikes geared towards non-enthusiast type riders. I guess it must have worked for him for a while, but I really can’t understand why would would alienate the exact kind of people that need and want expensive high quality frames. The stuff he talks about doing on his bikes (ride to the park in flip flops with your beer) can just as well be done on a $50 craigslist nishiki. I have a lot of respect for grant and what he has accomplished but I am of the opinion that this is the end result of the path he chose to take, and it’s hard to feel sympathetic enough to give him $10 when they don’t sell a single frame I have any interest in. Maybe if he started making bikes for CYCLISTS then cyclists would purchase them. Of course I’m generalizing and there are exceptions to what I’ve said I’m sure, but that’s just how I see it from where I’m sitting. |
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Hmm, perhaps because it’s a good bike that was priced well and made sense for a cyclist to purchase and ride.
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Probably no need to keep harping on the guy though, being as it looks like his business is on the rocks. It’s just too bad because by all accounts he’s a cool guy, but it doesn’t seem like he is interested in changing his point of view to match what is marketable. I wish the best for his employees. |
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If you travel back in time to 2002 or so when I first got turned into Riv, they were offering the types of practical bikes (Atlantis, Rambo) that few others were making, pushing things like fat tires so many of us have now embraced. I have a lot of affection for the company, and would love to support them by actually buying some stuff. But every time I get bitten by the nostalgic Riv bug, I go to their website and can’t find a frame that appeals that much to me. The pox of the double top-tube has infected almost every bike. Classics like the Atlantis have gotten crazy expensive with long lead-times, and the resistance to things like disk brakes means I usually turn to something else that will give me a good tubeless rim selection. I want Grant and Co to make it, but wonder what the plan is for putting the house in order and striking a better balance between marching to a different drummer and actually producing the types of bikes avid cyclists want.
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