"Good Condition" ?

[Mark McM]

Originally Posted by magoo

Last year, I bought a Gunnar from ebay. The photos showed some rust, but not all of it. The bike was listed as refurbished by the owner, but the back wheel would hardly move. I contacted ebay and the buyer gave me a discount which I accepted.

I told the seller that it looked refurbished with a hammer and chisel!

I put my components on it and love it. I touched up the rust spots, but fear they will reappear. Nothing like the Gunnar that you scored on Angry.

I've come to learn that the terms "refurbished", and especially "refurbished by owner" mean essentially nothing. And in some cases, attempts at cosmetic repair end up doing harm.

For my preferences, I'd like to see the item cleaned up before photos are taken to get a better sense of the actual condition, but in most cases I'd prefer there to be no attempts at "refurbishment", especially by the owner.

[OtayBW]

Originally Posted by rallizes

Does not every RS frame symbolize the impermanent nature of life?

A steel mandala, created and then destroyed?

All things change, but
No Thing changes......

[RoosterCogset]

It's all relative -- ie. amongst all steel framed bikes created the same year is this one considered as good, better or worse than average? I imagine there are a lot in landfills.

[truth]

Originally Posted by rallizes

Does not every RS frame symbolize the impermanent nature of life?

A steel mandala, created and then destroyed?

I think you forgot to login to your alternate account Werner Herzog's id.

[Ralph]

It's going to need some blasting or stripping and sanding, plus some bondo probably before repainting. I once sent an old Paramount to Richard Schwinn to get redone, and where sweat had collected around the FD clamp was quite rusty, required building back up after stripping and sanding.

[Nomadmax]

My grandad used to say "A thief will steal and a murderer will kill, but you never really know where you stand with a liar". When I see something that strays that far from the truth, I think of grandpa and pass on "the deal".

[avalonracing]

I see things listed here sometimes that state: Mint Condition when they are not. Or Mint Condition except for... (list of various issues). I something is mint it should look like it is new and has been cleaned for a professional photo shoot.

[fourflys]

is it that special for that price in that condition? It would be a no for me..

[Clean39T]

Originally Posted by rallizes

Does not every RS frame symbolize the impermanent nature of life?

A steel mandala, created and then destroyed?

Standing there twice..
The same river, again again.
Not sleeping with rust.

[Louis]

[vertr]

What is the proper way to handle small rust spots on a steel frame?

[Clean39T]

For comparison:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/226107908417

[Louis]

Originally Posted by vertr

What is the proper way to handle small rust spots on a steel frame?

Depends somewhat on location and how much you want to try to save the frame, but one solution is mask, sand, prime, and paint. I've never really trusted the rust reformer / neutralizer stuff, but for all I know it might work well. If the frame is valuable to you I'd eliminate the cancer.

[Fat Cat]

Originally Posted by vertr

What is the proper way to handle small rust spots on a steel frame?

Oxalic acid

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...alic-acid.html

[Flinch]

You must have misread the description. It should read:

"Good Con"

Along with other lies on ebby, such as "New (other)", or on a carbon fork now advertised as "Uncut steerer, new with shop wear" and pics clearly show dropout wear and a 2xx mm steerer with a star nut installed and a label that says "300mm" for length.