Canyon is for sale

[barnabyjones]

Canyon is an illusion. They don't make anything. They don't have real infrastructure. They'll disappear the way of pets.com if there's any disruption in their space. Trek, now that's something of value and permanence.

[coffeecherrypie]

Originally Posted by barnabyjones

Canyon is an illusion. They don't make anything. They don't have real infrastructure. They'll disappear the way of pets.com if there's any disruption in their space. Trek, now that's something of value and permanence.

Illusion....are their bikes figments of our imagination? Not sure what you mean here. Seems like they do have real infrastructure, if not in the US.

[Big Dan]

I like what they do. Real or not.

[OtayBW]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

He's done this before. Created something, grown it till it's the level he wants and then sold it. There are a few like that in the bike world. Micki who started Truvativ and then Lezyne. Roman with Canyon, and Radsport before it. It's a common thing in Europe, not so much in the US or Asia though. They are growing at 30% a year. So they aren't slowing down. Whoever buys them will have a great brand, great history and make a bunch of money.

Committmentphophic. Shame....

[barnabyjones]

Originally Posted by coffeecherrypie

Illusion....are their bikes figments of our imagination? Not sure what you mean here. Seems like they do have real infrastructure, if not in the US.

ha! I'm just trying to be controversial. I'm fascinated by marketing enterprises such as Canyon and Raphia. Proctor and Gamble still makes the shampoo I lather on my head every morning, ya kno?

[mistermo]

Originally Posted by barnabyjones

ha! I'm just trying to be controversial. I'm fascinated by marketing enterprises such as Canyon and Raphia. Proctor and Gamble still makes the shampoo I lather on my head every morning, ya kno?

I don't follow and can't tell if sarcasm is intended. You mean that one also must "make", meaning manufacture, something to create enterprise value? If one designs a product, creates a brand, and develops distribution (retail or other), that doesn't count? Keep in mind Apple doesn't "make" iPhones.

I think Canyon bikes are cool and seem well regarded. However, I'd feel guilty bringing a Canyon into my LBS for service. If I'm going to buy a new, mass produced bike, at retail, I'm going to throw my business to them. I'm grateful they're here and grateful for their good customer service.

[barnabyjones]

Originally Posted by mistermo

I don't follow and can't tell if sarcasm is intended. You mean that one also must "make", meaning manufacture, something to create enterprise value? If one designs a product, creates a brand, and develops distribution (retail or other), that doesn't count? Keep in mind Apple doesn't "make" iPhones.

I think Canyon bikes are cool and seem well regarded. However, I'd feel guilty bringing a Canyon into my LBS for service. If I'm going to buy a new, mass produced bike, at retail, I'm going to throw my business to them. I'm grateful they're here and grateful for their good customer service.

Just mean there's permanence and impermanence. In consumer products and financial instrument alike. My money is no longer with Dean Witter....

[rccardr]

I love my Canyon ...it’s the only CF bike in the stable.
Easy purchase, awesome value for the $, been very reliable.
My LBS (a Trek dealer) says they are happy to service it.
Although the only thing they would ever have to service is the disk brake system.

[Mark McM]

Originally Posted by barnabyjones

Canyon is an illusion. They don't make anything. They don't have real infrastructure. They'll disappear the way of pets.com if there's any disruption in their space. Trek, now that's something of value and permanence.

Are you sure Trek is much different from Canyon?

https://www.cnbc.com/2014/08/01/in-w...-bicycles.html

Despite Trek’s American-made legacy, U.S.-made bikes account for only about 1 percent of Trek’s total production

[jpw]

Never liked the name, and the logotype design sucks :-)

[corky]

Originally Posted by jpw

Never liked the name, and the logotype design sucks :-)

Yeah Canyon is way nicer a name and font than Trek, I agree.

[jpw]

Originally Posted by corky

Yeah Canyon is way nicer a name and font than Trek, I agree.

'Canyon' sucks, as does 'Trek'.

[verticaldoug]

Originally Posted by ridethecliche

Zwift also doesn't have a 'real' competitor at this time that can even come close to matching it in scale.

Canyon/Zwift bundle is called Peloton. It has a 35billion market cap. Zwift's enthusiasts market size is an after thought.

Heck lulu just paid $500mm for Mirror.

The real question is how many subscribers the apps can capture and what they can monetize it at. Peloton is positioning itself as the spotify for online exercise with cycling only being a small part. I actually think their tread mill is better than the cycle.

[buddybikes]

Originally Posted by Mark McM

Are you sure Trek is much different from Canyon?

https://www.cnbc.com/2014/08/01/in-w...-bicycles.html

Do they make anything today in US?

[fa63]

You shouldn't Most LBS like ours would be happy to work on a Canyon. We realize that the market trends are changing (more online shopping), but the web can't service your bike

Originally Posted by mistermo

I think Canyon bikes are cool and seem well regarded. However, I'd feel guilty bringing a Canyon into my LBS for service.