future of campy and lower gearing?

[voir dire]

Originally Posted by FlashUNC

You did. But whatevs man. You do you.

What is this? What does "whatevs man you do you" even mean? Again, I was referring to the post previous which referred to having to pull cranksets in some cases. You misread, apparently. I am not seduced by 1x13, specifically not by the need to replace chainrings for various rides whether the crankset needs to be removed or not, but clearly others are. So what.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Changing a ring on a 4 bolt crank is super fast. Faster than pulling a wheel, replacing the cassette, putting the wheel back in. Adjusting the derailleur and brake. It takes about 5 minutes if that to swap a ring out on most 1x cranks. Unless it's the kind where the ring is splined and you need to pull the crank. Even then that's not horribly time consuming. I get your point though.

BUT, not as fast as pushing the lever to shift to the 'big' ring...I know you get the 'point', but like MTB 'stuff' onto 'road' bikes...1by on a smooth, sunny day ass-felt road bike is a-comin..gad zooks.

[FlashUNC]

Originally Posted by voir dire

What is this? What does "whatevs man you do you" even mean? Again, I was referring to the post previous which referred to having to pull cranksets in some cases. You misread, apparently. I am not seduced by 1x13, specifically not by the need to replace chainrings for various rides whether the crankset needs to be removed or not, but clearly others are. So what.

I'm sorry I misread your post where you agreed with someone that changing chainrings is a pain, and offered an example in support that one would need to pull the crankset to swap said rings. Which is, again, not the case for basically every single ring crankset in the universe, whether on the track or down at the local shredly gravel trail.

If, one the other hand, I had read it correctly, my follow up post was an attempt to let go a discussion locked in a deeply pedantic argument that is boring for all parties involved.

And yet here we are.

[Mark McM]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

BUT, not as fast as pushing the lever to shift to the 'big' ring...I know you get the 'point', but like MTB 'stuff' onto 'road' bikes...1by on a smooth, sunny day ass-felt road bike is a-comin..gad zooks.

My first multi-speed derailleur bike was a 1x.




Then when I grew up all my bikes had front derailleurs.

[voir dire]

Originally Posted by FlashUNC

I'm sorry I misread your post where you agreed with someone that changing chainrings is a pain, and offered an example in support that one would need to pull the crankset to swap said rings. Which is, again, not the case for basically every single ring crankset in the universe, whether on the track or down at the local shredly gravel trail.

If, one the other hand, I had read it correctly, my follow up post was an attempt to let go a discussion locked in a deeply pedantic argument that is boring for all parties involved.

And yet here we are.

OK. Good for you.

[AngryScientist]

here is an interesting article on ekar.

https://cyclingtips.com/2020/08/pate...eed-cassettes/

[sg8357]

Anyone think Campy will make a road 13 ?
Narrow the cassette range to 11/12 to 28/32 ?

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by sg8357

Anyone think Campy will make a road 13 ?
Narrow the cassette range to 11/12 to 28/32 ?

Even tho he won't answer, ask Velocipede

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Even tho he won't answer, ask Velocipede

LOL!!! Oh I can answer. But until Sept 24th it'll be a No Comment. IF!!! It had something to do with whatever is coming on Sept 24th.

Side note: by the way, to those wondering about the whole NDA and whatnot, more than one guy from Campy read the whole thread and the others I've commented on. All of them agreed I was totally fine in my comments and didn't breach the NDA. One of them from the US, I was on the phone with while we were reading these. He was totally fine in my comments. Found it funny even all the stuff posted on here including the links to things. And of course the patent info which mentions the amount of gearing. He didn't realize all the info was out there already. So as I said before, not a really well kept secret.

Anyways, back to a road 13, I have not seen or heard anything of a road 13 speed group. Also, there will not be an EPS kit other than Super Record. Campy made that decision because the Chorus and Record EPS kits, it was a 4 to 1 sales difference, SR v R&C kits. They feel it's not worth it. So no Record or Chorus EPS 12 kits.

[bfd]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

Also, there will not be an EPS kit other than Super Record. Campy made that decision because the Chorus and Record EPS kits, it was a 4 to 1 sales difference, SR v R&C kits. They feel it's not worth it. So no Record or Chorus EPS 12 kits.

Thanks! I think it is sad Campy doesn't offer a lower price group to compete with Ultegra di2 and Force AXS. I haven't looked in a while, but Campy SR EPS always appeared to be more expensive than either DA di2 or Sram AXS/etap.

So the end results is most e-shifting bikes I see on the road are Ultegra di2 bc it is the cheapest and works really well. Yes, there's like a one pound difference between it and DA di2, but for the majority of riders, it doesn't matter.

Because of price, Campy SR will be limited to a very small niche market. But maybe Campy likes it that way. Good Luck!

Good Luck!

[woodworker]

It would be great to have a more affordable EPS 12 than Super Record. I'm amazed at the numbers you cite, four times as many SR sales as Record and Chorus for EPS 11. Not doubting you at all--just surprised.

[makoti]

A bit of drift here, but since we are talking Campy and lower gears...
Anyone know of a source for chainrings that would fit a 5-arm Campy crankset that I could get in subcompact? Thinking 48-30 or there abouts. GOt a squaretaper I want to keep using for travel reasons, but might want to go lower for gravel use. 11/12sp, if it matters.

[Mark McM]

Originally Posted by makoti

A bit of drift here, but since we are talking Campy and lower gears...
Anyone know of a source for chainrings that would fit a 5-arm Campy crankset that I could get in subcompact? Thinking 48-30 or there abouts. GOt a squaretaper I want to keep using for travel reasons, but might want to go lower for gravel use. 11/12sp, if it matters.

Could you be more specific about which crank this is? Square taper/Ultra-Torque/Power-Torque? BCD (135mm, 110mm)? standard 5 are or "hidden 5th arm"?

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by bfd

Thanks! I think it is sad Campy doesn't offer a lower price group to compete with Ultegra di2 and Force AXS. I haven't looked in a while, but Campy SR EPS always appeared to be more expensive than either DA di2 or Sram AXS/etap.

So the end results is most e-shifting bikes I see on the road are Ultegra di2 bc it is the cheapest and works really well. Yes, there's like a one pound difference between it and DA di2, but for the majority of riders, it doesn't matter.

Because of price, Campy SR will be limited to a very small niche market. But maybe Campy likes it that way. Good Luck!

Good Luck!

Originally Posted by woodworker

It would be great to have a more affordable EPS 12 than Super Record. I'm amazed at the numbers you cite, four times as many SR sales as Record and Chorus for EPS 11. Not doubting you at all--just surprised.

Personally I would love it if they did a SR EPS AND a Chorus EPS build. Skip the Record. I think the prices are too close and that's why they had the issues of sales being so mad. They said people who were looking at Record would just get the SR EPS parts and Record for everything else cause the pricing worked out better. And the Chorus was just a bit to much so they were losing out there as well.

[lookout2015]

Originally Posted by woodworker

It would be great to have a more affordable EPS 12 than Super Record. I'm amazed at the numbers you cite, four times as many SR sales as Record and Chorus for EPS 11. Not doubting you at all--just surprised.

I suspect what that ratio really says is Record / Chorus EPS are priced too high to be competitive

SR EPS is the halo - the people who are going to buy it will buy it at whatever price (relatively speaking). For Chorus / Record, that’s not the case and when Ultegra Di2 is half the price ....