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I don't know...some protected bike lanes are okay...
No glass or trash, only the occasional coyote to watch out for...
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No one piece of bike infrastructure is effective without a plan that is actually followed. In Seattle, the Bicycle Master Plan is being used as a whale carcass that sharky local pols can chomp on when it’s expedient for them. We will never see the full benefit of a city-wide plan because it will never be realized.
Meanwhile, police officers sweep the debris from car collisions into bike lanes and consider the job done. |
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This made me think of the bike lane on Venice Blvd here in LA - it's the absolute worst bike lane I've ever experienced and I'd rather ride in the road there. It's "protected," but it's spaced so far from the road lanes and has parked cars between the road and the bike lane with right turn lanes that collide with the bike lane and nearly no notice for drivers.
LA has repeated this mistake with similarly terrible bike lanes all throughout DTLA. |
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The experience that triggered my OP was on the "protected" lane on Broadway in Santa Monica. A couple of months ago, on the same stretch, someone had parked their car in the lane . Another shortcoming of this design: drivers approaching the road with the lane on an intersecting street typically don't come to a full stop and nose their way into the intersection as they examine the flow of traffic. With cyclists in the flow of normal traffic this isn't a problem because there's plenty of space for them to stop once they see the rider, but with cyclists right up against the curb there's less room for them to react. As usual, and expected, lots of thoughtful responses, which I appreciate. It's clear that any improvements will take a long time and require our own civic engagement, sometimes at odds with others who consider themselves cycling advocates. |
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I think I might have seen the same car there. |
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at least in CA, you don't have to use the bike lane. No violation to be in the roadway.
You don’t have to use the “protected bike lane.” Once a bike lane is separated from moving traffic with posts or car parking or anything else, it’s no longer a “bike lane” according to the law; it’s a “separated bikeway.” CVC 21208 does not apply. You may ride outside of the separated bikeway for any reason. (SHC 890.4d) |
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https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0127...18.4972928,17z This is Broadway from Ocean to about 26th. It's inconsistent: it confuses drivers and causes problems with cyclists. Last edited by tctyres; 01-03-2021 at 04:41 PM. |
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The problem is two-fold. The steepness of the hill freaks out many cyclists, so they clutch their brakes while inching down the hill. They use the “bike lane.” The issue is that the “bike lane” morphs into an area next to a park where plenty of cars are. So, suddenly, the cyclists have to veer out of the bike lane into the “regular” lane, which is dangerous. They’d be better off in the middle of the road, much less at risk. Where they belong. |
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Agreed, just a matter of setting expectations. And, in the case of these protected lanes, the projects aren't just useless but actually decrease safety for cyclists and increase the probability of incidents (that's my opinion, not claiming to base it on actual data). |
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Now this was doing is right (one thing) in Providence:
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(not sure why the image didn't take, here's the link)
http://www.gcpvd.org/wp-content/uplo...inear-park.jpg |
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That pic shows what appears to be countless opportunities for collisions with pedestrians, kids playing, skaters, dogs on retractable leashes, vendors selling food from carts, and anything else one might encounter in a popular playground. I will take my chances with cars!
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