Colnago C64 production numbers

[cmg]

how long was the C60 in production? like 3 years maybe? while I like the C64s tube profiles, those are really large tubes.

[cadence90]

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[martl]

Originally Posted by cadence90

Just to be clear, I concurred with an estimate of ~4,000 non-pro C64 frames/year, and did not guess ~15,000 anywhere. That number would definitely be much too high.

i was referring to that interview you mentioned.

Originally Posted by cadence90

CW:What sets Colnago apart from its competitors?
EC: We work in high-end, custom measured bikes. There’s no one doing this at our level. We make custom bikes on top of the 15 or so stock measurements. Ernesto Colnago started this 50 years ago; no one else was making custom bikes. We are still here making 5,000 frames in Italy; for the other 10,000 frames – our lower range – we are obliged to take our forms and technology to Taiwan.

5000 in I + 10000 abroad = 15000, no?

[cadence90]

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[martl]

Originally Posted by cadence90

Oh, I understand now. I thought you were referring to C64 frames only. We read the numbers differently, that's all, but ending up in the same place. Apologies for misunderstanding.

I took the interview numbers ("We are still here making 5,000 frames in Italy") as meaning that Colnago fabricate 5,000 frames per year in Cambiago, but not necessarily selling those 5,000 only in ITA.

The only frames made in ITA now are Masters and C64s, and the question in this thread is, "How many C64 frames does Colnago make per year?", so I guessed at ~1,000 Masters + ~4,000 C64s (rather than the ~400 quoted in post #1), made in Cambiago, and then shipped and sold worldwide.

Adding the other ~10,000 (all the other models) frames made in Taiwan = ~15,000 total frames total, worldwide, all facilities, as you wrote.
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no worries!

When i read the 5000 i talked about and the 15000 as well, i was amazed about the smallness of these total numbers, considering Colnago is among the biggest (italian) players, or at least names, in the market; i'm wildly guessing Pinarello and Bianchi (racing bikes only) may be in the same league, and the rest below that. (I wonder how those numbers rose with the growing market for high end road bikes in the east - i know Pegoretti, for example, had to put some sort of a quota on deliveries both to Taiwan and the US to remain able to serve his EU customer base)
The impression one could get when seeing the stacked showrooms of the boutique dealers certainly is different.



(Anyone has reliable numbers about the big players like Speci, Trek, or recently Canyon too ?)

5000 Units of such a highpriced product still makes for a good revenue, mind.

[PacNW2Ford]

Another data point is Pinarello shipped 10,400 Dogma F8’s in 2015 and expects to ship 13,000 Dogma F10’s this year.

[kitsnob]

Originally Posted by beeatnik

I think the editor forgot to add a zero. I'll ask him next time I see him at the World Famous Rose Bowl Ride. He's easy to spot as he's the only good wheel riding disc brakes.

He can also be spotted on the Wurld Famus Montrose Ride - 8am Edition
Usually riding some new exotic build that he is "road testing" - always fun to see what he's got "this week"!

[beeatnik]

Originally Posted by kitsnob

He can also be spotted on the Wurld Famus Montrose Ride - 8am Edition
Usually riding some new exotic build that he is "road testing" - always fun to see what he's got "this week"!

KS, I was referring to the younger editor/writer who gets to test the disc race bikes. He was on a Lightweight a few months ago and now goes by "Dave." Ask him to relate the tale.

The other cat was recently seen an interesting Lauf.

[bicycletricycle]

It does seem a little low. A lot of competition in that market though.

[cadence90]

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