ID Help: Mystery Columbus EL frame

Titanium · #1 07-25-2014, 08:29 PM

Hi All, i am hoping someone here in this vast and highly knowledgeable forum can identify this frame that I have an opportunity to buy. It is made from Columbus EL,fillet brazed at all joints but BB which is lugged ,somewhat unusual geometry 59 ctc ST,-56.5 ctc TT and has a "W" cut out in BB shell. Thanks!

ultraman6970 · #2 07-25-2014, 08:32 PM

I have seen the stays positioning but cant remember where. As for the W... waterford?? custom maybe?

Titanium · #3 07-25-2014, 08:41 PM

Thanks,Ultraman.It would be nice if it was a Waterford,but i dont think so. The previous owner mentioned that the guy he bought it from mentioned the name Walter,but was not sure.

ultraman6970 · #4 07-25-2014, 09:07 PM

Walter Croll??

technicolor · #5 07-25-2014, 11:21 PM

Waltworks?

aptivaboy · #6 07-25-2014, 11:41 PM

Walter White?

8aaron8 · #7 07-26-2014, 12:57 AM

Paul Wyganowski maybe? Similar style seat stay attachment at least

LouDeeter · #8 07-26-2014, 06:28 AM

What is the bb threading, English or Italian? The W looks a lot like Wilier W.

Titanium · #9 07-26-2014, 09:23 AM

Thanks all ,I spoke to Wyganowski and Waltworks and sent pics it is neither of their work. Lou,it does have an Italian BB,Willier would be awesome,but I have never seen one up close. As far as the Walter White guess ,took me a minute as I don't watch much TV,but when I assemble the bike if it 'brakes badly' ,maybe it is him. Any other comments or observation please feel free to share them.Thanks Again!

choke · #10 07-26-2014, 12:17 PM

I don't think that the cutout is helpful, I think it's the BB maker rather than the frame maker. The BB on my Pelizzoli looks identical to that pic.

Titanium · #11 07-26-2014, 04:38 PM

Choke makes a good point, I have been hung up thinking that it was a makers mark,but how many bikes have we seen with a Cinelli BB that were not Cinellis.Maybe the only thing I see that I have not seen before is the seat stays appear to be brazed onto a piece of metal that is then brazed onto the the seat tube.Bear in mind I have not seen the frame in person yet ,just pics.
In addition to IDing the frame does anyone see good or bad aspects of this frame? Thanks!

Chris · #12 07-26-2014, 05:14 PM

I think the Torelli EL-OS frames had that seat stay. Those were built by Mondonico. Maybe the w is an m. I had a Mondonico Neuron bike. Loved it, but I don't remember the bb shell

ultraman6970 · #13 07-26-2014, 05:32 PM

That could be a torrelli nitro express???

Titanium · #14 07-26-2014, 05:54 PM

Torelli/ Mondonico would be great and Ultramans pic of the Nitro definitely shows similar seatstay positioning. I have always lusted after one of the mono stay Mondonicos. Everybody seems to be proposing really good makers ,so I am hoping whatever it is will be of that quality.

Matt-H · #15 07-26-2014, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris

I think the Torelli EL-OS frames had that seat stay. Those were built by Mondonico. Maybe the w is an m. I had a Mondonico Neuron bike. Loved it, but I don't remember the bb shell

This was my first thought.