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Dude, lay off already, what are you 2? Man, I don't post often here, 99% of you folks seem to be good people. But, that 1%.......
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#212
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Easy, It's Just Bike Stuff
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By Rivendell's own email they came up short, and if you have excess ax and soap inventory sitting on the shelf they gotta ask themselves did they wander too far into the woods. |
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You look at some of these races like STB GRVL, literally announcing the race and course 10 months in advance and you know a massive proportion of the people lining up for that have also at the very least dabbled in cross and business park crits. This explosion of groad event/race/whathaveyou space has the big three and their type of consumer. I have not myself been, but I hear more than a few folks say that the main event of DK is really the vendor expo and seeing the new gravel tech from the big boys. (someone else already answered this on subsequent pages) |
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I understand what you are saying; but, in this thread, some of the jest has appeared mean spirited. Perhaps I read it wrong.
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It's All Good
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Nobody wants to see a business go down but the eccentricity of Rivendell, soaps, ax and all do open it to humor. You can like a place and people but if said place and people do questionable things, people less in love will call out the crazy pieces. It's not unhealthy to point out where something is wrong if it is. And there is something wrong there. |
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The fascination with soap and axes as if this is a new thing eludes me. 25 years ago Riv was selling soap, beeswax and knives..this stuff has always been a quirky sideline for them. A lot of the comments in this thread read as though people just discovered the company and are pissed they're not Surly.
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I mean true, but Surly is (I think?) financially solvent.
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Cool, we can talk about how great Surly is. Surly is gnarly and rad!
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i ride a surly pacer...its a damn good bike..eff you !!
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C'mon
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Again, you seem to be taking it personally and you really shouldn't. Rivendell made some bad decisions and they are still bleeding money after a handout. Listen, if ski merchant peanutgallery can't pay his bills and begs for money while he has ten cases of mustache wax going out of date in the back, I'll be the first to rib him about it. |
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For folks who want Lugs and the Riv vibe, they are one of the few left unless you want to pay a lot money, I guess I just feel the majority have moved on... That's my thoughts anyway...
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The point many, including myself, are making is that the sideline stuff increasingly seems like the front and center stuff. Rather than selling really good bikes, it's some either ill-executed attempt at a lifestyle brand, or just Grant's personal interests expressed as a business. Which, yes, that's basically all Riv has largely ever been, but when the #1 item listed in the holiday gift guide is an axe, or there's a couple thousand words on the blog extolling soap varietals, something has clearly gone pear-shaped in the approach to the market. Again, the kind of riding that Grant and team has espoused for decades is THE trend in the industry, and instead of making hay while the sun shines, they're asking folks to buy gift cards to help replenish a reserve that needs to be deeper than it should be, a year after holding out the hat to very clearly keep the lights on. It's not that they're not Surly. Far from it. They should be eating Surly's lunch. And owning a segment they've basically created with really kick-ass bikes and kick-ass accessories. What's there today by any external expression is not that. If anything, what you construe as "they're not Surly" is some exasperation from those who recognize Grant and Riv's work for the visionary stuff it is, and that the guys who got it before anyone else now seem to be badly missing the plot for reasons that escape a lot of us, even with all this radical transparency. |
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Alright
I'm sorry if you do, because the thread is about Rivendell.
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Frankly the fringe stuff may be a calling card that still works for them to the extent it does. It's just a hard time out there all the way around. |
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