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One other benefit of the garbaruk cage vs XPLR is you don’t need to run a flat top chain, so you can experiment with the other 12s cassettes out there like e13, rotor, even Shimano. I have an e13 9-46 on my steel gravel steed and since I don’t intend to go super fast on it the combo works great. I’ve done a TON of research on the matter and was about to pull the trigger on a full garbaruk setup with the 10-48 cassette but held off. Didn’t like the cassette jumps, and still not sure if 1x will work with the riding I’m intending for a build. So asking if “it works” is totally dependent on your personal pedaling preference. Some people don’t mind 13-15% jumps in the middle of the cassette, others hate it. The one thing that 2x has over 1x is the flexibility to dial in gearing. And with the orbit and clutch designs as well as 13t front ring jumps you no longer have as many chain drop issues on SRAM which previously really killed the ride. |
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Depends on the required range and the desired spacing, in addition to the type of gearing arrangement. It would take about 17 cogs for a practical 1x to mimic the range and spacing on my gravel bike's 3x8 without notable compromises, and even 2x doesn't really do it comfortably until 13-14 cogs unless the gears are interleaved (i.e. half-step).
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Considering that getting 1:1 ratios, or lower, for road riding...that's a relatively newer thing. I know it's not...but it is. We aren't discussing triples here. A compact 50/34 with an 12-28 used to be considered a super low climbing gear. But ya, on this bike, being it's intended for lots of stuff, having <1:1 would be handy. Quote:
What may be getting missed here is that I'm specifically talking about Sram's XPLR setup. That cassette (10-44) is pretty good in terms of not having big jumps. This bike won't be going on rough gravel where super low gears are needed. A 42-10 is plenty fast for the road. It's not far off a compact chainring setup with an 11-27. And the 42-44 is less than 1-1 for slow days or having bags on the bike...or for being fat, like me, to assist with double digit climbing (lots of around me). Current cassette (10-33) v XPLR: 10-33t: 10-11-12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-28-33 10-44t: 10-11-13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32-38-44 Only missing the 12 and 14 with XPLR. Then, in the gears, seems fine to me. Diff being 32 vs 33....then getting 2 lower gears. Thus the benefits for 1x.
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But again it’s up to you whether those jumps are OK with your pedaling style and bike usage. |
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Ekar's 1x13 cassette keeps the 1 tooth steps where it matters. There you go.
Though I don't recall the last time that cassette steps on any 1x caused me any bother. The whole 1x concept is great atmo. |
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I wouldn't like the 21-24-28 portion of that 10-44 cassette in a 1X set-up.
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Concur. And, I’d like Ekar on something at some point. Maybe when the supply is less crazy. Not this bike though. No holes in the frame. By design, eTap only.
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I have an Eagle 12 speed 1x set up on my MTB—where it belongs. It’s great off road and annoying on road. I love the looks of Ekar so i hope that it has smaller jumps. I’d like to try it.
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I dunno how much it really matters, but another advantage of the 2X set-up is generally better operating chainline.
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The Garbaruk cages and pulleys for SRAM are for 1X only. to use MTB cassettes. The SRAM 13T chainring difference sucks, IMO. I want more range, so I've only used 16 or 17T difference, with Campy Chorus or shimano grx cranks. Both work with the AXS flat top chain and I've never had a chain drop in 6,000 miles. I read of many chain drop problems with SRAM axs and sram 13T chainrings, but I suspect most are caused by poor FD setup. The flat top chain works with Campy 12 and I expect with any 12 speed cassette. The opposite is not true. I tried a Shimano 12 chain on my SRAM axs cassette and it did not work well. That actually surprised me.
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With shimano you can have rings worn to sharks teeth and a chain that’s stretched AF but will still shift up and down flawlessly with no tuning. |
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1x for road work great for me. 44 tooth chainring with 10-36 cassette on one bike. Other bike is currently being converted to 46 tooth oval ring with 10-44 xplr cassette. I live in a hilly area and many routes have greater than 100 ft of elevation per mile. However, not many sustained climbs greater than 2 miles.
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