Running question?

OnceFast · #1 11-08-2005, 05:39 PM

My daughter wants me to run a 5K race with her and I'd like to keep up or even beat her if possible. I'd like to train for this race on my Computrainer as I hate running. The treadmill at the gym indicates 266 watts gives me a 7:00 minute pace at my weight. If I can average 266 for 22 minutes on my trainer will that equate to 7:00 minute miles on the road(flat course)? I'm a little skeptical as my last running race was a 5 miler 8 years ago in 36 minutes. I felt like I was going to die and I was riding a lot faster then.

manet · #2 11-08-2005, 05:41 PM

pitch the treadmill at least to 1% to get any sort of road feel.

Fixed · #3 11-08-2005, 05:43 PM

bro I'm just a dumb bike mess but i.m.h.o. if you want to run you got to run.cheers

manet · #4 11-08-2005, 05:54 PM

doing intervals on a treadmill is tough, second only to squeezing out a baby.

saab2000 · #5 11-08-2005, 06:27 PM

Fixed is right. I just got back from a 4 mile run. I am making myself do it and am inspired by Laurent Jalabert's marathon performance.

There is no substitute for running if you want to run. And the treadmill is not nearly as good as running outdoors IMHO.

#6 11-08-2005, 06:51 PM

If you want to beat her just use a belt.

sirroada · #7 11-08-2005, 10:00 PM

Run Forest, run. If you want to get faster on a bike...pedal harder. If you want to run faster down the road, run faster down the road.

Too Tall · #8 11-09-2005, 06:48 AM

OF - Cycling HRs and running HRs are different as are watts. If you are looking for comparative HRs and Watts? If I understand correctly, you want to use CT to approximate the watts you see on the treadmill and train to sustain that or better for 20+ mins correct? Yeah I can figure this out, it's easy now that I think about it some. Give me you Avg. HR. for a very hard treadmill session lasting 30 mins. and for CT need avg HR and watts for the last 30 mins. of Mogul Bismark done HARD!!!...I'll do the math for you.

PS - You might want to start stretching your achilles, calves, soleus, hamstrings DAILY.

Kevan · #9 11-09-2005, 06:54 AM

and hit the track. No tread mill is going to prepare you completely for tarmac and a good track makes for an excellent transition.

Did I ever tell you how much I hate running?

Sandy · #10 11-09-2005, 06:59 AM

I know someone that you certainly don't hate.

Someone Sandy

67-59 · #11 11-09-2005, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirroada

If you want to run faster down the road, run faster down the road.

True.

#12 11-09-2005, 07:05 AM

take away her running shoes

then

tell your daughter to ride a dang bike

(in political philosophy, this would be called positive freedom)

Grant McLean · #13 11-09-2005, 07:19 AM

You don't necessarily have to run on the road.

Find some mountainbike trails near where you live,
and run on the dirt. It's easier on the joints, and
more interesting than pounding along in a straight line.

G

BigDaddySmooth · #14 11-09-2005, 09:22 AM

There is no substitute for running if you want to run. And the treadmill is not nearly as good as running outdoors IMHO.[/QUOTE]

A couple of years ago, the Air Force changed our PT test, it used to be a sub-maximal ergo test, now it is a 1.5 mile run. It is more convenient for me to run on the treadmill because: 1) it does not give me shin splints due to less braking action and 2) I know how far and at what pace I've run, plus I can take 1 minute off and walk 4 mph on a 10% grade to break things up. By setting the incline at 1%, you've offset the moving belt. For the last 2 years, I ran 1.5 miles on the treadmill a week before my actual outside 1.5 mile run. In both cases, my time was the same indoors vs. outdoors.

I do not believe riding your computrainer at 266W will also allow you to run at 8.5 MPH for 3.1 miles. To run you need to run. If it were me, I'd run 2 days per week on the TM and 1 day a week outside and give yourself a few months to develop the biomechanics of running (it has taken me 2 years to feel good while running). Also, 8.5 MPH is a pretty good clip for a non-runner so don't do too much too soon or you will injury yourself.

Finally, your goal might be a bit optimistic. You are 8 years older and you want to maintain the sme pace, eventhough the run is shorter. That may be more than your body is able to do. My 1.5 mile time (compared to when I was 25 in the Navy, 18 years ago) has slowed 1 minute, despite the fact I run more now (I ran 2x/year while in the USN as that was the frequency of the PT test) and w/interval-type sessions. You get old and you lose speed.

#15 11-09-2005, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddySmooth

There is no substitute for running if you want to run. And the treadmill is not nearly as good as running outdoors IMHO.

By setting the incline at 1%, you've offset the moving belt. [/QUOTE]

Not sure what that means, but an incline of .5-1% would offset the lack of air resistance on the treadmill, and seems to be th standard for equalizing treadmill and outdoor running.