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Old 03-24-2023, 01:42 PM
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Chain Derailment on lower pulley cage??

Anyone ever have this happen? How? Bit of a head scratcher. DA9100 DI2 rear der w/ Kogel 14t pulley wheel and DA chain. Rode into a bumpy section of road under full power when this happened. Nothing looks bent or cracked and shifted fine, just a bit noisy.
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Old 03-24-2023, 01:51 PM
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Looks like the chain was installed outside of the guide pin on the rear derailleur. It needs to be reinstalled inside of that pin. It's not fully engaged with the lower pulley.
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Old 03-24-2023, 02:06 PM
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Old 03-24-2023, 02:07 PM
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Looks like the chain was installed outside of the guide pin on the rear derailleur. It needs to be reinstalled inside of that pin. It's not fully engaged with the lower pulley.
It was installed correctly. This happened when I was riding the bike.
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Old 03-24-2023, 02:23 PM
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It was installed correctly. This happened when I was riding the bike.
I can't see how that's possible...
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Old 03-24-2023, 02:24 PM
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First gen SRAM Rival had that problem on my Serotta... not really horrible but not a good memory either. I don't really ever remember being able to solve it.

It scratched the living daylights out of the cage on that setup, the cage was polished silver IIRC.

The whole groupset was falling apart within 2 seasons (except the brakes) so I didn't have to put up with it that long.
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Old 03-24-2023, 04:47 PM
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If the chain was installed correctly, then the cage was designed incorrectly.

Skip the fancy-schmancy aftermarket pulleys and cages; stick with OEM and you won't have a problem.
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Old 03-24-2023, 05:06 PM
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I had this happen on a Campagnolo rear derailleur. Happened mid-ride. A head scratcher for sure. Seemed impossible but there I was on the side of the road disassembling the derailleur cage.
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Old 03-24-2023, 07:17 PM
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Looks like the chain clearly first derailed off the teeth, then wedged itself alongside the pulley tight enough to force the plate outward, releasing the chain.

I've had a couple of bikes come in where, due to frequent cross-chaining from small ring to small cogs, the pulley teeth eventually wore down to where the chain started eating away at the inner cage plate, which had to be replaced along with the lower pulley in both cases.
One was a 6800 GS cage and the other was an M772 having an SGS cage.
Both riders were older women who I'm supposing either knew of no reason not to cross-chain, or who perhaps didn't hear so well.

In this case, unless the teeth of the lower pulley are asymmetrically worn, I don't know what caused the derailment, but aftermarket chain, pulley or especially a larger pulley might be key factors.
Perhaps a rock got between the chain and pulley, forcing the chain outward?
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Old 03-25-2023, 06:06 AM
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Looks like the chain clearly first derailed off the teeth, then wedged itself alongside the pulley tight enough to force the plate outward, releasing the chain.
^^ I think this is what happened. I pulled the der off to inspect for damage (there is none) but also see how this might happen. There is enough flex in both cages to allow the chain to slip through. I don't think this would have happened with the smaller, stock pulley wheel since there would be more distance between the pulley and the pin. Stock pulley is going back on.
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Old 03-26-2023, 07:24 AM
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The chain is installed wrongly, look closely at your second picture

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Anyone ever have this happen? How? Bit of a head scratcher. DA9100 DI2 rear der w/ Kogel 14t pulley wheel and DA chain. Rode into a bumpy section of road under full power when this happened. Nothing looks bent or cracked and shifted fine, just a bit noisy.
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Old 03-26-2023, 07:28 AM
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The chain is installed wrongly, look closely at your second picture
Sounds like it was installed rightly and then the chain pushed the 'tab' over enough that the chain popped out then stayed over that 'tab...
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Old 03-26-2023, 04:42 PM
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Here's an exploded diragram to help with the investigation:
https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site...mber_2017.html
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Old 03-26-2023, 05:10 PM
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Things flex a lot more than we think. If we had high speed footage of our forks when they hit bing bumps it would freak us out.
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Old 03-27-2023, 12:53 AM
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Things flex a lot more than we think. If we had high speed footage of our forks when they hit bing bumps it would freak us out.
Can't get this out of my head now thanks
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