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I love this place...so much grumping about. AND, I love my RH tires all of them: 28s, 32s, 35s, 650/42, 26"/2.3 (rat trap pass). IDK about speed. I care about CUSH(ion).
Pretty much all of us are considered kooks by "normal", football watching, beer swilling, pig skin eating, chubs. So I embrace the fact that no matter how fast or slow, no matter how great my kit is or if my ass is showing through threadbare spandex....that I look like the biggest geek to most folks that encounter me out on the road. But ya, the "test" of the Peg Love #3 was a frigging travesty of the highest order. Jaine should publicly apologize for that fiasco.
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The wide tire thing is so reminiscent of what's been going on in the ski world too. You are (trying) to create a new market to sell stuff. They already have other stuff but now they need THIS stuff. And it goes too far and actually can be less useful at the extremes. You don't want a 106mm underfoot ski in most New England conditions any more than you need 48mm tires on the pave. |
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I applaud him for being his own person and making few, if any, apologies.
I wish I were motivated for a 400 km ride. Looks awesome. Tires are a side show. I enjoyed the article. |
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His "experiments" (more generally studies) have not reliably replicated when performed by others. Rolldown tests have almost always favored narrower tires, his aero testing was debunked by multiple people, and the most damning result - almost nobody interested in riding far, fast, and in comfort is using his ideas. He's had to pivot to gravel racers to move product - road, triathlon, MTB, randonneurs, ultra-distance - by and large have found his ideas do not generalize to their riding style. Which begs the question, why the huge discrepancy between the Bicycle Quarterly Rene Herse laboratory with 1 tester, 1 statistician, and no peer review - and the laboratory of the open road with thousands upon thousands of testers? The only people that ever win races on Rene Herse tires are using the same width as the rest of the field, and are only ever winning off road races? What means? |
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What's your limit? 50mm? 70mm?
Maybe 115mm? |
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I might have to try the loop and make the turn at Marblemount....avoid the big climb! :-)
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That said his stories and evidence is enough to whip the place up into a tiny frenzy. It works, and he makes and sells his niche products. No harm really. |
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BITD, was there any evidence put forward to support the rationale for skinny tires at high pressures--rolling resistance, and, err...what else was there actually?
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Nah....just good stories and tires to sell
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I like it wide
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TBF this is way worse than the Pegoretti
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so, there seems to be quite a few on this thread that like Jan's products about as equally as those that don't.. so not really sure where you got your data from.. also, some of the most recent FKT ultra distance on been on RH tires.. agree, not a lot of crit racers riding RH tires, but not real sure that's his demographic..
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I don't remember the article, but I just don't get the unquestioning love for Pegs.. I'm sure they're nice bikes, but folks treat them like a mythical beast.. not sure I would have disagreed with Jan's take on one to be honest..
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I’ll answer because I looked last year; 0 and 0. The tires are great, they’re also not nearly as fast as the marketing leads one to believe, the pseudoscience surrounding them is a joke. |
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