A 3 hour, 21 minute documentary about -7

[grateful]

Well said. And Mr. Armstrong raised cycling awareness in America which allowed me to watch Paris Roubaix live.

That era also got me back on the bike.

I have never spoken to Lance so I try not to be to judgmental. Hell, I have my own issues to work on. Walk a mile and all that

Originally Posted by Burnette

It was pro cycling at it's peak, it brought people into the sport, people watching the sport, people buying and riding bicycles. He was around the biggest names, was the king of it all and has stories about all those people, races and back stories.

The fall from grace, the fallout, the flawed human experience are all a part of that same story. Abhorrence of the figure is understandable, he gets the reasons why it's that way, but if you want a glimpse into those days, he's the guy that knows it best.

[jamesdak]

Originally Posted by Vientomas

F Lance.

^This!

Besides, we still have a real champion.

[BryanE]

Four pages.
Six if somebody says something nice about LA.

[jemdet]

Lance talking Lance is - and always has been - insufferable.

[charliedid]

Looks great, I'll watch it.

[pdmtong]

can someone remind me if he ever disclosed HOW he cheated, as in the various ways they doped (when how who) as well as evaded the testing protocols?

we all know he did it. and what he did. and why.

but HOW?

[FlashUNC]

Originally Posted by pdmtong

can someone remind me if he ever disclosed HOW he cheated, as in the various ways they doped (when how who) as well as evaded the testing protocols?

we all know he did it. and what he did. and why.

but HOW?

Tyler Hamilton outlined it in some detail in his book as to the how. Everyone got a specific cocktail based on a bit of testing and learning to see who responded best to what drugs, EPO, HGH and all that, with Ferrari as the doctor the guys were mostly going to. Lots of shuffling the drugs around via wives and girlfriends since they weren't scrutinized as much as official team personnel. And later they moved from in-season drug programs to blood transfusions for the third weeks of Tours.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by Burnette

It was pro cycling at it's peak, it brought people into the sport, people watching the sport, people buying and riding bicycles. He was around the biggest names, was the king of it all and has stories about all those people, races and back stories.

The fall from grace, the fallout, the flawed human experience are all a part of that same story. Abhorrence of the figure is understandable, he gets the reasons why it's that way, but if you want a glimpse into those days, he's the guy that knows it best.

When it comes to netflix or something, I probably will watch too..

[oldpotatoe]

can someone remind me if he ever disclosed HOW he cheated

Originally Posted by FlashUNC

Tyler Hamilton outlined it in some detail in his book as to the how. Everyone got a specific cocktail based on a bit of testing and learning to see who responded best to what drugs, EPO, HGH and all that, with Ferrari as the doctor the guys were mostly going to. Lots of shuffling the drugs around via wives and girlfriends since they weren't scrutinized as much as official team personnel. And later they moved from in-season drug programs to blood transfusions for the third weeks of Tours.

With a decent doctor and intimate knowledge of the rules, amounts, etc., probably wasn't that hard then..probably tougher now but sure, still out there, in every professional(and lots of amateur) sport in existence...
I think the most common these days is blood doping via your own blood..transfusions..I don't think there is a test for that. Maybe circumstantial, finding empty bags, needles and such but not for actual 'your blood back in', type stuff. Still use the really antiquated hematocrit level test. Biological passport..these big boys hematocrit stays amazingly steady during a 3 week race..it 'should' go down..hmmm....

Geez, even golfers dope.

[KonaSS]

I will watch. I do find Lance 2.0 interesting as a human. I listen to his podcast. I am not sure I would ever want to be his friend. But I think I find his thoughts and opinions interesting cause they are often different from mine, and he does have great knowledge and insight of the sport.

I also think that Lance doesn't get the credit for the incredible rise in popularity of cycling in the US during his reign. How many bikes were sold (even by custom builders)? How much more coverage do we get of the sport do we get now? A rising tide lifts all boats and all that.

[jemdet]

Originally Posted by KonaSS

A rising tide lifts all boats and all that.

Except for the ones that were shot full of holes

[KonaSS]

Originally Posted by jemdet

Except for the ones that were shot full of holes

I don't know what this means.

Not in the industry, but I would bet if you looked at the total sales of the vast majority of bike manufacturers, bikes shops, etc. before and during his time in the sport, you would see a noticeable upturn.

[dgauthier]

Originally Posted by Burnette

(...) Now it's like a band that made some good music and we rehash the dark side of the drug abuse that went on while they were putting out albums.

Now it's like a band that was lip-syncing their live shows...

"-7." I hadn't heard that one before. I like it.

I agree with Vientomas and jamesdak: F Lance.

[Burnette]

Originally Posted by dgauthier

Now it's like a band that was lip-syncing their live shows...

"-7." I hadn't heard that one before. I like it.

I agree with Vientomas and jamesdak: F Lance.

It's like everybody on the stage at the Grammys was lip syncing

It doesn't absolve Lance and he deserves all of the vilification aimed at him.

[Elefantino]

Originally Posted by dgauthier

Now it's like a band that was lip-syncing their live shows...

"-7." I hadn't heard that one before. I like it.

I agree with Vientomas and jamesdak: F Lance.

And a cover band at that because there were two good docs about him already.

I raised a lot of money for the guy and I still agree with the Ancient Spud:

He's a turd.