Rivendell saved for now...

[Burnette]

Originally Posted by Joe Remi

If your business is selling stuff and stuff isn't selling, your problem is stuff isn't selling.

Well of course and it's not just slow selling accessories that is the problem here.

[Joe Remi]

Originally Posted by dancinkozmo

velo orange sells parts/accessories and they seem to be doing fine in this amazon world.

Maybe, who knows? The original owner sold out a couple years ago and is now poking around the country in a van. I love V-O and hope the new couple are doing well with it, but I don't think they're blogging business reports.

[dancinkozmo]

Originally Posted by Joe Remi

Maybe, who knows? The original owner sold out a couple years ago and is now poking around the country in a van. I love V-O and hope the new couple are doing well with it, but I don't think they're blogging business reports.

theyve never begged for money either

[sjbraun]

Originally Posted by Joe Remi

The Ram was replaced by Roadeo on the mid-reach brakes end, and AHH for long-reach brakes and - on the smaller sizes - 650B. Both were in production until very recently as Waterford frames. "I wish they still made the Rambouillet" is a thing people say after definitely not buying the similar bikes that were available for many years after the Ram was discontinued.

I can't claim to be an expert on the evolution of Riv frames, but I still think it was a mistake to kill the Ram moniker. In my world, it was a name strongly associated with Riv. Replacing the Ram with two similar but different frames seemed weird at the time; it still does. Then there is the confusion on frames made in Japan, Taiwan, and WI. And $3500 for a custom Riv? That's so out of line with the rest of the custom steel market, no wonder they're not selling.
I have nothing against Grant and Riv, but many of their decisions befuddle me.

[Joe Remi]

I agree Rambouillet was a cool name, but it was kind of a mess online back then before everybody was typing on phones with spell check. It almost always got shortened to Ram (even Rambo!) so from a marketing perspective the actual name of the frame was practically non-existent.

But frankly I'm not a big fan of names for bikes, I would prefer they all had Rivendell on the downtube and more of a descriptor as the model name like Road, Tour or Country. I have a Seven Alaris...wth is an Alaris??

[Burnette]

Originally Posted by dancinkozmo

theyve never begged for money either

Bazinga! And yes, VO is surviving in the same environment.

How long can Riv employees go on with a 40% with no real feeling that things are in no way going to get better?

[jtbadge]

Originally Posted by Joe Remi

The Ram was replaced by Roadeo on the mid-reach brakes end

"Good looking, functional, well-selling bike replaced by worse bike with esoteric geo that no one wants to ride" has happened over and over again. It's time for Riv to hang it up.

[Joe Remi]

Originally Posted by jtbadge

"Good looking, functional, well-selling bike replaced by worse bike with esoteric geo that no one wants to ride" has happened over and over again. It's time for Riv to hang it up.

The Roadeo was ugly with esoteric geo?? Come on, man, it's hard to take you seriously.

[pinkshogun]

Also some confusion is the correct pronunciation of Rambouillet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYH-PzCn4uA

[jtbadge]

Originally Posted by Joe Remi

The Roadeo was ugly with esoteric geo?? Come on, man, it's hard to take you seriously.

I was thinking of the Roadini. But the point still stands throughout the lineup. There is nothing there for the average buyer - it's all for people who want to ride weird **** for weird ****'s sake.



Also, I don't understand why this is so personal for you. Relax.

[Joe Remi]

Originally Posted by jtbadge

"Good looking, functional, well-selling bike replaced by worse bike with esoteric geo that no one wants to ride" has happened over and over again. It's time for Riv to hang it up.

Originally Posted by jtbadge

I was thinking of the Roadini. But the point still stands throughout the lineup. There is nothing there for the average buyer - it's all for people who want to ride weird **** for weird ****'s sake.



Also, I don't understand why this is so personal for you. Relax.

A. I don't need anybody to understand why I express opinions on a bike forum. B. Nobody relaxes when you say "relax". That's not how relax works.

[Joe Remi]

Also, I'm not sure how the Roadini being a sloping-toptube steel road bike makes it weird. There's a million bikes like that out there.

[dancinkozmo]

im thinking the 'roadeo' has got to be the dumbest bike name in all of cycledom

[jtbadge]

It's hard to take you seriously when you immediately jump down the throat of every person on this forum that has suggested Riv hasn't made 100% perfect decisions leading them where they are - near complete failure.

[jtbadge]

Originally Posted by Joe Remi

Also, I'm not sure how the Roadini being a sloping-toptube steel road bike makes it weird. There's a million bikes like that out there.

Sloping top tube is great! 190mm HT (in the "54cm" size) for bars above the saddle and chainstays longer than a Long Haul Trucker on a "road" bike are ludicrous.