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Old 11-12-2018, 08:52 AM
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More Masters Doping

This one is a "good" read.

http://www.crdsc-sdrcc.ca/resource_c...%2018-0294.pdf

http://www.canadiancyclist.com/daily...ping-violation

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Guy is a doper for years (weight lifting), can't produce testosterone, takes testosterone, decides to race bikes locally, gets called for drug test, refuses - 8 year suspension.


He was 11 out of 19 participating in over 40 beginner racing class....

The entire event had less than 100 people at it.
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Old 11-12-2018, 09:05 AM
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WOAH, ha ha thanks for sharing. That's nuts, and the sad thing is that had he applied for a TUE there's a decent chance it might have been granted under due to his medical issues. His arbitration document reads like he honestly wasn't trying to dope to win, etc etc.

Here in WI there is a female MTB racer who narrowly avoided a 2-year suspension. She's trying to spin the news (very poorly) but the fact remains she tested positive for a drug on the banned list. Prednisone is on the list for a reason. Evidently the race she tested positive at, she got 2nd. USADA's note to her stated that had she won, she would've received the ban due to some technical garbage about how she's classified as an athlete (elite, non-elite etc). I firmly believe she deserves a 2 year ban. Now that she's on USADA's radar I wouldn't be surprised to see her test positive for something else in the coming few seasons.

https://leiaschneeberger.blogspot.com/

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Old 11-12-2018, 03:14 PM
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I don't think talking about a medical exemption for a prescribed anti-inflammatory is spinning the issue. Prednisone is among the most commonly prescribed medical-use steroids. It's hard to imagine it being part of a "doping" effort, given it's toxicity, and that even a short course will cause you to have psychotic ideation.
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Old 11-12-2018, 03:26 PM
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Short term Pred ingestion has been definitively shown 10-20% performance gains. Pretty sure there's a subset of athletes out there who are very aware of this.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17805102/
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Old 11-12-2018, 04:58 PM
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Quite a few athletes have been found taking Prednisone. Yes, it definitely is a performance advantage. That is true in most all sports. Serena or Venus Williams would not have been pumped full of it at the Rio Olympics if it did not provide an advantage.
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Old 11-12-2018, 06:35 PM
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Serena or Venus Williams would not have been pumped full of it at the Rio Olympics if it did not provide an advantage.
Were they the only two athletes? Out of thousands? I missed the Olympics in 2016 and 2012 and 2008 and 2004. Also, 1998.
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Old 11-12-2018, 06:41 PM
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It wouldn't be racing without doping by the saggy ballsack categories keeping the mexican pharmacies in the green.

prednisone def is a PED
there's no legit reason for an healthy human to be taking so much as to get popped for it unless they are cheating.
Same goes for salbutomol and other "i'm collateral damage" drugs.
Legit doses will never register a fail on a drug test
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Old 11-12-2018, 07:39 PM
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This one is a "good" read.

http://www.crdsc-sdrcc.ca/resource_c...%2018-0294.pdf

http://www.canadiancyclist.com/daily...ping-violation

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Guy is a doper for years (weight lifting), can't produce testosterone, takes testosterone, decides to race bikes locally, gets called for drug test, refuses - 8 year suspension.


He was 11 out of 19 participating in over 40 beginner racing class....

The entire event had less than 100 people at it.
I don't think he was doping for cycling, but for bodybuilding or powerlifting. Here's his Instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/gregdoucetteifbbpro/?hl=en.

Here's the story about his getting banned for steroids as a bodybuilder: http://www.steroids.info/2012/10/07/...sted-steroids/.

Here's his post about a criterium win: https://www.instagram.com/p/BjRxNu3HzYw/.

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1st place out of 19 in race #2!! In this criterium race u go around several corners on a fairly flat road. Without any hills I was able to keep up with the faster riders by drafting and then power through at the end to the front with a big sprint finish. A few crashes took place so glad i was able to stay upright. This made HITT Cardio look like a breeze. My HR found a new maximum for this one. Looking for a coach to get you the conditioning you have always wanted with a scientific approach to training and a delicious meal plan with lots of tailor made options? Send a message to gregdoucette@hotmail.com and let's get started today. Looking to use the same supps as I do? You can order advanced genetics supps directly to you door at agarmy.com use promo code GREG to get 15% off!!!
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:06 PM
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In 2015, I went through 4 rounds of prednisone to address a back issue that eventually required surgery. It's nasty stuff for sure, made it hard to sleep, but there were evenings where I felt superhuman on a bike. I could see how it could be abused for short periods of time. The methyl prednisone was the good stuff for me.
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Old 11-13-2018, 01:14 AM
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As usual a great read from my favorite blogger on...surprise, another socal saggy sack doper

https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2018...tar-is-born-2/
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Old 11-13-2018, 06:37 AM
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Gross
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:19 AM
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That was hilarious, thank you.

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As usual a great read from my favorite blogger on...surprise, another socal saggy sack doper

https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2018...tar-is-born-2/
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Old 11-13-2018, 09:08 AM
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I always heard about how fast racing was in SoCal. I suppose hanging on to the 10 dopers at the front of the pack probably makes you faster as well. Unfortunately, I don't think that even a well designed doping program would make me fast enough to hang on to the back.

When I get sick, it inevitably exacerbates my asthma and I take prednisone to keep it from getting out of hand. I haven't noticed any stimulant effect, although the most I take is 40mg/day. The max recommended dose is around 50mg/day. I assume dopers take more. I know people that have had manic episodes as a result of prednisone, so it's a concern. Someone otherwise predisposed to manic episodes can have psychotic symptoms. There are other side effects, it seems to promote cancer, for example. My main concern is that I had problems with one of my retinas that a retinal specialist blamed on cortisone nose spray. So I try to avoid anything like that if I can.
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Old 11-13-2018, 10:46 AM
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Were they the only two athletes? Out of thousands? I missed the Olympics in 2016 and 2012 and 2008 and 2004. Also, 1998.
I think you missed the complexion of his comment. It isn't the first.
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:23 PM
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I think you missed the complexion of his comment. It isn't the first.
Since I don't follow sport or geopolitics, I was under the impression that only athletes from former Soviet Republics in south-central Asia dope. You know places like Tajikistan.
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