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Carbon feels *dead* compared to other materials due to its dampening qualities. And there are degrees of *dead*...I felt my Madone felt more dead than the Parlee. Carbon will feel a bit different but it will be hard to discern that on a quick test ride. You need to ride it over rough roads, rolling hills and big climbs. Then the qualities that you want will start to be more evident. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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See what I mean, bob pal....you gotta try it and decide for yourself.
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Everyone talks about carbon feeling dead as if that is a bad thing. Its the term that has a negative connotation, it is not dead you just feel less of the road but that is not always necessarily a bad thing... and very much agree, that got to depend on the bike. My parlee does not feel dead and neither does the OPEN, on the contrary |
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PS- I forgot "suffering"- the mid-level privateer pricepoint model, designed for the collegiate racer who's just about tapped out Dad's visa card... Stiff and not too compliant. Last edited by zennmotion; 08-17-2018 at 11:39 AM. |
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First I would like to thank everyone who has responded. I think there is no right answer concerning using a carbon frame because everyone has their own personal experience with carbon. My plan now is to find a nice used quality carbon bike in my size and ride it for a few months to see if I really like it or not. I will be selective on the brands I will be looking for so no Giant's ect. As I mentioned I have two great bikes now steel & ti so I can be patient on my hunt.
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also parlees are getting really cheap (downfall is tire clearance on some of the older models) |
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R3 your newly aquired Open looks like a great all in one bike. Please update when you have more time on that bike. I have a friend who purchased a Open this Febuary and ended up selling his Peg because he grabbed the carbon for each ride.
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Check out Raoul Luescher's videos on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY9...4lLOHpb_zbIedQ Tim |
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The Emonda SLR I had did ride nicely, but I've since ridden steel bikes that I vastly prefer - and even preferred the ride of the Look 585 Ultra to it. Plus, the Emonda SLR felt like a consumable, finite-life product - the BB won't last and it's always one small miscalculation away from being worthless or needing repair. I guess I've just lost interest in that. And it's not that I don't think China or Taiwan could produce on par with TIME or some high-end US builders, I just don't think they are in general trying to do so (there may be some boutique production I'm not aware of...and I think the Parlee Z4/5 are probably another exception, especially the early model years). TIME is weaving their own carbon and engineering for longevity, not the lightest/stiffest/cheapest frame possible. Holland is laying everything up meticulously and committing to significant testing. I personally do not think that the top-end bikes being cranked out of the big factories are "worth" what they are charging - but that's me and my calculus, and is subjective, so ignore it if it isn't the same yardstick for you... OP asked for opinions, and that's all any of us have.
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I had an Axiom for a while - nice bike but I preferred my old Merlin Road (Cambridge built). I didnāt really connect with my Spectrum and Serotta ti bikes, but they were purchased second-hand and not built for me. My current ti is an Eriksen, which I adore as much as my Parlee and ride similarly (the Eriksen has some oversize tubing for stiffness). I did enjoy my Serotta Ottrott (carbon-ti combo with ti seat stays instead of the bowed carbon). It was really comfortable but just a tad long in the top tube. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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I think Parlee used to allow someone who bought a used Parlee to send it in (for a fee) for inspection and receive a warranty. Parleeās customer service is top notch. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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