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The length of the lines is exactly the same in reality. The drawing may not be precise but shows the effect. Height changes as a function of the angle of the side walls. As you widen the rim the sidewalks become more vertical and raise the top of the tire.
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I would presume that the tire tread (centre of tire) is inelastic and would expand to one size once inflated to a maximum pressure recommended.
I can see the tire 'getting shorter' with less air pressure. Perhaps I am missing something...Just a thought. |
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This effect is measurable, so I don't understand why theories are being floated. Measure the tires and report back. All of mine are taller on wider rims. I'll bet very few will be shorter. |
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Why would it be any different on a hemisphere/tire? I'm no math genius (obviously!) so someone explain this using simple words M |
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And it's not like I have any more narrow rims sitting around, plus I don't have a pair of vernier calipers. So I can't measure this myself. Quote:
My issue is with the white versus light blue lines. Those are the same tire and same pressure. White is the super old-style, 13.6mm ID rim. Light blue is a 17.8mm ID rim. Light blue is both wider and higher than white. Again, both lines are a 25mm tire. How is this consistent with the law of conservation of mass? Same with grey and light dark blue (bottom and 3rd from bottom lines, both are 23mm tires at 100 PSI). |
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Antique car tires had no such belts, their narrow casing remained round but the tread was formed to a shape that squared off the tire where it met the road. My old Trek 720 came with Panaracer TT Radial tires that were true to their name, and the handling/steering qualities were horrible. The casing fibers were at 90-degrees to the circumference of the tire. Last edited by dddd; 08-17-2018 at 10:55 AM. |
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Let me see if I can take 5 mins away from work and illustrate this out to ALL YOU CONFUSED FOLKS in CAD. Total length of tire when laid flat aka arc length is say, 100 just to keep it even. On a 20 inner diameter rim, the 100 arc length covers roughly 296deg of the 360deg total circle ie 82.2%. Thus, the total circumference of that circle is (360/296)*100=121.6. On a 25 inner diameter rim, the 100 arc covers only 286deg of the total circle ie 79.4%. Thus, the total circumference of that circle is (360/286)*100=125.9. Since we all know (I hope) that increased circumference equals increased diameter of height and width, then it proves given the above numbers that the width and height increases as the inner diameter does. But as mentioned before the height increase is only up to a certain point. And in real world examples of tires and rims the tire compound, shape, rim shape, rim compound, bead design, etc. will all have small effects on how much the increase in height is and at what point the height doesn't increase with inner rim diameter increase. I've attached an aptly named pdf showing the work, since those of us with understanding of basic geometry know how important it is. Black is for the 20 ID, Red for the 25 ID. Tire-and-Rim-Widths-for-Idiots.jpg Last edited by yinzerniner; 08-17-2018 at 11:23 AM. |
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You raise a good point, and that's an excellent illustration, although I think I'd remove the narrow lines (I think you are comparing the thick lines). It is true I'd neglected to consider the length added to the circumference. Or, That said, while you do show that going from 20 to 25mm ID produces slightly bigger height and bigger width, thanks to the added rim, does that still apply if we go from 13.6mm to 17.8mm? Because that's the one that's really tripping me up. Does the added rim width result in that much more width and height, as in Hed's diagram? That's adding less than 5mm to the width. Also, you appear to be assuming the tire stays circular. I think this will have to do as an approximation, but the tires clearly don't stay circular. Not sure how much a difference that makes. |
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