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Old 02-24-2021, 06:07 AM
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His bike seems to be completely intact except the cockpit after crash so I highly doubt his bike failed.
Look at the debris on the ground behind him as he sits by the barrier-those are parts of his rear rim.
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Old 02-24-2021, 06:22 AM
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Look at the debris on the ground behind him as he sits by the barrier-those are parts of his rear rim.
All of that debris seems to appear when he hits the barrier.
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Old 02-24-2021, 07:56 AM
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I'm guessing one, if not two shooters.
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Old 02-24-2021, 07:56 AM
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Looks like the wind caught his front wheel. It turns (not leans) to the right. This is a classic way of inducing a turn ("counter steer") and it does exactly that. Problem is rider doesn't want to turn.

So the wheel turns right, bike leans left. The left lean initiates a left turn.

The rider is fighting the turn, the bike is turning left, the front tire (pointing left now, after the initial counter steer to the right) digs in, and the rider's body is still going straight. He highsides off the bike.

If he said he slipped on sand, that might have been what broke the tire loose. But it looks to me that the wheel/fork was turned to the rider's right, initiating the entire sequence.
This seems the most likely scenario. The stability of a bike is ultimately from the rider, applying steering corrections. It is more difficult to apply controlled inputs to the bike when in the narrow TT position, so the rider was less able to compensate for wind gust perturbences. Had the rider had their hands in the drops or on the hoods, this crash probably would not have happened.
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Old 02-24-2021, 08:36 AM
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I'm guessing one, if not two shooters.
It's a good thing that we have things like this to speculate about without knowing squat about the facts. Keeps us occupied until the weather becomes more conducive to riding in some parts of the country.
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Old 02-24-2021, 08:37 AM
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It's a good thing that we have things like this to speculate about without knowing squat about the facts. Keeps us occupied until the weather becomes more conducive to riding in some parts of the country.
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Old 02-24-2021, 08:48 AM
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I'm guessing one, if not two shooters.
On the sandy knoll
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Old 02-24-2021, 09:12 AM
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Old 02-24-2021, 01:31 PM
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The wind double tapped him. Look at the gusts of wind on the finish flags and trees. Makes perfect sense. And also why they blamed it on sand, Trek doesn't want their bikes to look bad in windy conditions.
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Old 02-24-2021, 01:46 PM
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It doesn't look like wind to me unless he made the complete opposite correction he should of.. by the time he gets to this point of his career wind correction should be automatic.. he doesn't move sideways or get pushed by the wind and the bike never really leans the bike over much to try and compensate. It just seems unlikely to me. Maybe some kind of bump or something but it still seems like a stretch unless the geometry of that bike is just completely wacked.

It seems like a front wheel issue to me not the back wheel.. if something failed I would have said something in the stem? There's no way I'd expect anything on that bike to be less than super stiff I guess.

It surely didn't help that he wasn't looking where he was going cause he decided to use his helmet as a parachute... but I'd still bet on some kind of bike failure that they don't want anyone to know about.

The worst thing IMO is they way no one seemed to care at all that he was down and clearly hurt.
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Old 02-24-2021, 01:47 PM
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Rear end failure: flat, broken stay, chain, etc.
The camera angle doesn't help diagnose this.

Possibly shot at from the sandy knoll by a desert sniper.
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Old 02-24-2021, 01:49 PM
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The wind looks like a tailwind in the final stretch so hard to see it knocking him over.. if it's not a failure I'm going to go with him just being cooked and he yanked on the bars sprinting while not looking where he was going and then lost control really fast due to the geometry of the bike.

edit: Some of the comments on the Youtube video are that his arm popped off the pads.. it does kind of look like his left arm came out.

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Old 02-24-2021, 07:39 PM
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I went there for work and brought a folding bike, it was pretty fun to ride around.
Well, I'm glad it was you who went there to prove that point rather than me!

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Went for work, would try to avoid going back, not the worst place to visit , just kinda weird.


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I'm guessing one, if not two shooters.
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