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Not really, the 2005 riots being treated differently because of the demographic of poor suburbs being primarily algerian/moroccan is a statement of fact.
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ah, thanks for clarification, Vertical Doug..
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Good Piece in The Times
Pretty good Cliff Notes outline on the crisis.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/04/w...gtype=Homepage Quote:
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I think the problem is much larger than poor communication. Since it doesn't look like the world wants to share a common sacrifice, you need plan B. How do you get rid of 7 billion people? (I think if you run the numbers for carbon emissions, US, Canada, Japan combined max out the global quota. ) That's the size of the problem you are looking at. The irony here is at some point we will emit more carbon trying to cool ourselves in the summer than warm ourselves in the winter. Talk about a vicious cycle. Without the US, there is no possibility of a global solution. Last edited by verticaldoug; 12-06-2018 at 04:23 AM. |
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It always makes me smile when many of the nations in Western Europe that hector the US over its environmental record and its departure from the Paris Accord, aren't actually doing as well as the US is in getting their emissions under control and actually seeing their emissions on the rise, in the case of Germany.
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Germany's CO2 emissions per capita are 8.889 and dropping as of 2014, nearly half that of the US 16.491 based on world bank data. And the US is rising again since 2012. Canada is an embarrassment at 15.117 per capita. Spain is 5.03 and dropping. The EU avg. is 6.4 and dropping.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...C?locations=US
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Yeah well Germany shut down their nuclear plants and put up coal ones, so this data wrt Germany is no longer valid. |
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Once again, I say that I am not counting CO2 emissions, I see an economy and lifestyle that is totally unsustainable. This cannot continue if we have ANY thought for future generations. We should have been working toward a more sustainable lifestyle two generations ago.
Yes, it will hurt. Just like the switch to automobile use destroyed parts of the economy around the turn of the century. But the jobs of setting up and sustaining renewable energy will make up for that. Designing our cities for better public transportation will also keep people more healthy. Win, win, win, except for oil companies, who will fight this tooth and nail to the death.
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The problem is the jobs are not where the people live, hence commuting to work. I don't see that changing in a free society. |
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I get so weirded out how many people sit in their cars to eat, with the car running, and a phone in their hands. I have noticed this when i go fishing, there is almost always someone parked in the parking lot eating and using their phone. they could get out of the car, take 20 steps and sit on a park bench overlooking the river. but they dont, they face the buildings, crank the ac or heater, phone, and feed. we are a bunch of damn weirdos with brains that are sometimes useful and more often underused |
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Politics has always been a screwed up way to govern and grapple with problems. But it may be worse today because in a connected world, the problems have gotten exponentially more complex while politics seems ever more incapable of anything but simplistic, bumper-sticker 'answers'.
I'm curious. Has any non-aligned (if there is such a thing) economist or social theorist or academic of some ilk put forth an idea for how we solve the inequities of capitalism while keeping some of its benefits, adding some elements of a social safety net, while not screwing the planet and its climate, while not sinking into unmanageable debt... Is there an answer without political cant? It's a serious question. It's such a complex web of issues. Has someone found solutions without grinding axes? |
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Sharp increase in renewables have offset alot of the increase coal/oil/gas consumption. I think the 'data' is correct, and they have not yet taken any of the remaining nukes off line. Nice attempt to throw a wrench. German per capita has increased by a little, which is mostly attributed to transportation. Biggest gross contributors have been China, USA and India. On a per capita however, China and India still small. |
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