OT: February home prices see the biggest gain in 15 years

[jamesdak]

Originally Posted by AngryScientist

that makes no sense. it costs the employer more to maintain office space for an employee vs them using their own infrastructure to do their job. they should give 10% bonus to keep you home!

Can't say I agree with that. 95% of the workforce where I work has been on max telework now for over a year. I've had to come in everyday due to the nature of my work.

So my commuting cost have stayed the same, wear and tear on vehicle, commute time taking away from home life, maintain work clothes, etc.

Those staying home have lost all their commute costs, have all IT requirements provided by work, gained more free time in their lives, work in what ever, etc.

On top of that hhose of us in the building have to "keep covering" hands on stuff for those that never come in.

I won't even comment on what how many "home projects" are now getting done on the clock, day care costs going away, pure time card fraud, etc. When someone shows as online but you can't get a response from them for hours...yeah.....

[Jaybee]

Originally Posted by jamesdak

Can't say I agree with that. 95% of the workforce where I work has been on max telework now for over a year. I've had to come in everyday due to the nature of my work.

So my commuting cost have stayed the same, wear and tear on vehicle, commute time taking away from home life, maintain work clothes, etc.

Those staying home have lost all their commute costs, have all IT requirements provided by work, gained more free time in their lives, work in what ever, etc.

On top of that hhose of us in the building have to "keep covering" hands on stuff for those that never come in.

I won't even comment on what how many "home projects" are now getting done on the clock, day care costs going away, pure time card fraud, etc. When someone shows as online but you can't get a response from them for hours...yeah.....

Your anecdotal experiences aside, most empirical studies find that WFH is a net increase in productivity.

Here's just one.

There's some argument as to whether the increased productivity is just an increase in hours, but there's a broad consensus that more is getting done.

Smart companies and managers are going to realize that the real measure of knowledge work is the product, not the hours, and that to find and retain the best talent they will have to offer WFH at some level or lose to their competitors that offer that flexibility.

I intend to WFH for the foreseeable future, and my company supports that because my team and I have produced more in the last year than we did previously. If they need me in an office, just for the sake of presenteeism, my resume is ready to go.

[KarlC]

Originally Posted by Jaybee

Your anecdotal experiences aside, most empirical studies find that WFH is a net increase in productivity.

Here's just one.

There's some argument as to whether the increased productivity is just an increase in hours, but there's a broad consensus that more is getting done.

Smart companies and managers are going to realize that the real measure of knowledge work is the product, not the hours, and that to find and retain the best talent they will have to offer WFH at some level or lose to their competitors that offer that flexibility.

I intend to WFH for the foreseeable future, and my company supports that because my team and I have produced more in the last year than we did previously. If they need me in an office, just for the sake of presenteeism, my resume is ready to go.

+100

I own my own company and all of our office staff has worked from home for many years, it does work.

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[zap]

Originally Posted by Jaybee

Smart companies and managers are going to realize that the real measure of knowledge work is the product, not the hours, o.

This has been the case for eons.

[AngryScientist]

Originally Posted by Jaybee

Your anecdotal experiences aside, most empirical studies find that WFH is a net increase in productivity.

Here's just one.

There's some argument as to whether the increased productivity is just an increase in hours, but there's a broad consensus that more is getting done.

Smart companies and managers are going to realize that the real measure of knowledge work is the product, not the hours, and that to find and retain the best talent they will have to offer WFH at some level or lose to their competitors that offer that flexibility.

I intend to WFH for the foreseeable future, and my company supports that because my team and I have produced more in the last year than we did previously. If they need me in an office, just for the sake of presenteeism, my resume is ready to go.

i agree. i began the concept of WFH many years ago to some level, and i'll never forget one of my favorite managers i have ever had telling me

Nick, an employee that is going to f-off at home is going f-off in the office too.

the very definition of salaried work is getting paid for the work anyway, not the hours.

[KarlC]

Its still going ....

The housing market is so hot buyers are paying $1 million over asking price

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/homes...ers/index.html

What do homebuyers have to do to get a house in this cutthroat real estate market? Offer sellers a Caribbean vacation? Bid $1 million over the asking price? Pay a competing bidder hundreds of thousands of dollars to walk away?

What about buying two homes just to live in one?

Believe it or not, these are real offers. And sometimes, they actually work.
"You hear about buyers throwing sweeteners into the mix -- wine, dinners -- to get the house," said Esty Perez, an agent with Knipe Realty in Portland, Oregon. "Then, along comes a buyer that is like, 'Hold my beer.' Let me take this up."
Perez said one of his clients was in a bidding war on a $530,000 home, and offered $25,000 over the asking price.
The other top offer was only $15,000 over. But that buyer also threw in 10 Ether coins, which -- in early May when Ethereum was trading at $3,900 -- were worth nearly $40,000.
"We couldn't beat that," said Perez. "My client couldn't offer any crypto to counter that. It was kind of laughable."
In many hyper-competitive markets where all-cash offers that are well over the asking price are standard fare, buyers have found some jaw-dropping ways to stand out.

Buying two houses to get one
Would you buy two homes just to get the one you really want? One buyer in Austin, Texas, did.

Competing against 50 other offers on the home, the buyer offered more than $100,000 above the asking price -- all cash, according to Thomas Brown, agent with and founder of The Agency Texas, who represented the buyer who was moving to Austin from the San Francisco area. But that offer was matched by other buyers. So to seal the deal, Brown's buyer offered something extra: to buy the seller's next house.
Altogether the buyer paid $1 million for a $500,000 home, said Brown. "Buyers are coming here from living in $1 million condos and seeing they can buy a 3,000-square foot house for less. They're saying 'Even if I pay more, I'm only in for $1 million?' "
Brown said his buyer was concerned that putting all the money toward the home they wanted would cause the property taxes to shoot up, so they preferred to put the extra money toward a new home for the seller and keep it a separate transaction.

Brown got an understanding of the seller's needs and their plans for a next purchase. Together with his buyers they crafted a deal that had two distinct transactions: the home the buyer wanted, listed in the $400,000's, and a new home for the seller that was listed in the $300,000's. Both went over their listed price and were paid for in cash by the buyer.

Regardless of price point, there are multiple offers on every single home right now," said Brown of the Austin market. "I've never seen anything like it and the reality is it is not going to stop anytime soon."
Adam Pugh, real estate lawyer and partner at the Cagle Pugh firm in Austin, said buying two homes just to get one is pretty wild, but creative.
"While we're seeing folks arriving from all over the country overpaying for Austin real estate, I've never heard of anyone buying a seller's next house as an incentive," he said. "But, honestly, it is not even that surprising."

Money -- a lot more money
A three bedroom, mid-century home on a cul-de-sac in Berkeley, California, with an expansive view of the San Francisco Bay was nearly a one-of-a-kind property, said Jill Carrigan, an agent with The Grubb Company who listed it this spring.
"It ticked all the boxes for a lot of people," she said. "I've never had a property with 29 offers and buyers were upping their offers without us even countering. The Bay Area is always competitive, but this was something I'd never seen before."

Listed at $1.15 million, the home sold in two weeks for $2.3 million in cash, double the asking price.
Neither Carrigan nor the sellers, who had begun to prepare for a move to Texas, anticipated it would go for that much. But this offer was clearly impossible to pass up.
"People are getting very creative with their offers," Carrigan said. "Sometimes, if it is a photo-finish and someone was throwing in Warriors tickets, it could be a tie breaker. But, at the end of the day, it is money and a clean offer that usually win."
More people have been paying much more this year for a home.

The Berkeley home was just one of hundreds of homes in the US that have sold for $1 million over the asking price this spring -- there were 310 of these sales nationally just in March, according to Zillow, up 74% from last year.
And paying half a million dollars over the list price, isn't even that rare. There were more than 940 sales that were more than $500,000 over the list price in March, according to Zillow, twice as many as last year.

Removing obstacles
Buyers with the cash to offer sums that are significantly over the asking price certainly have the advantage, pushing first-time buyers and qualified homebuyers that need a mortgage further down on the seller's list or out of the running altogether. This has served to widen the wealth gap across the US, making it next to impossible for lower income buyers to invest in a home.

But sometimes money isn't the obstacle -- other buyers are.
Brown said he sometimes learns about the primary competition through the seller's agent. That's when, he said, some of his buyers have paid another top buyer to walk away. In one case, he said, the buyer offered more than $100,000 to the competition.
"They are buying time and opportunity," he said. "Seller gets a better deal. The other potential buyer gets something to walk away with and my client offers more and gets the home."
While this kind of offer may raise some eyebrows, Brown said it works as long as all the parties know about it -- both the buyers and the seller.
Pugh said in that situation, ideally all parties have some understanding of how the deal will come together, but it wouldn't be legally necessary. Buyer one could pay buyer two to walk away and not even involve the seller, he said.
It may be small comfort to homebuyers repeatedly losing bids, but there are buyers who have taken huge swings, putting everything they have on the table, and still struck out.
Michael Perry, an agent in Salt Lake City, said one of his buyers noticed sports memorabilia while touring a home. The buyer made an offer to purchase the house, and threw in two season tickets for any local sports team, he said.
"It was a thoughtful idea, but we lost that one," said Perry.
Even if the buyer wins the offer, sometimes the additional gift is just too odd.
In another case, Perry represented a seller with a beautiful garden. He said the winning buyer sweetened their offer by allowing the seller to continue to use the garden and backyard for up to five years after the sale. "That was a little weird," said Perry. "But super cute of them. They won the bid, but I don't think the sellers will take them up on it."

There was one buyer Perry worked with who put in an offer that he thought was a grand slam: The home was listed at $1.95 million and his buyers offered $2.75 million in cash, closing in a week. Perry said his buyers offered $500,000 non-refundable earnest money upon acceptance, plus they were allowing the sellers to stay in the property for six months to a year until they found their next home.
"They gave them everything," said Perry. "The only thing they could have added was to bring a bag of cash with the offer."
They still lost the bid, Perry said. The sellers went with a buyer who essentially matched that offer, said Perry, which goes to show in this market, the pack is never very far behind.
"We were gutted," he said. "I didn't know what anything in this world meant after that."

[jtakeda]

This is absurd. That’s all I have to say about that

[Ozz]

That article reads like click-bait to feed the frenzy....

I would be more impressed if the author had the data for different markets for list price versus sales price....all the houses sold, not just the extreme examples.

Rational people don't do stuff like that.....imho.

[slowpoke]

Originally Posted by KarlC

Its still going ....

The housing market is so hot buyers are paying $1 million over asking price

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/homes...ers/index.html

Listed at $1.15 million, the home sold in two weeks for $2.3 million in cash, double the asking price.
Neither Carrigan nor the sellers, who had begun to prepare for a move to Texas, anticipated it would go for that much. But this offer was clearly impossible to pass up.

Price-per-square-foot is a pretty reliable estimator. Redfin says Berkeley's selling at $936/sqft and the house in question was 2400 square feet, so $2.3 million shouldn't be a surprise at all.

Seems like they purposely priced the house low knowing there'd be a bidding war.

[corkycalvin]

As Alan Greenspan said, “irrational exuberance”. This can’t last forever and most will get hurt entering this housing market.

Haven’t we learned from history?

Is everyone thinking there’s no home availability and I need to get in before it’s too late?

[BobbyJones]

Originally Posted by Ozz

That article reads like click-bait to feed the frenzy....

I would be more impressed if the author had the data for different markets for list price versus sales price....all the houses sold, not just the extreme examples.

Rational people don't do stuff like that.....imho.

Thought you’d know by now... there’s a heck of a lot of irrational people out there. These ones just have money.

[yngpunk]

Originally Posted by Ozz

That article reads like click-bait to feed the frenzy....

I would be more impressed if the author had the data for different markets for list price versus sales price....all the houses sold, not just the extreme examples.

Rational people don't do stuff like that.....imho.

But that doesn't make for headline news. They should take a look a markets in say, Vicksburg, MS and compare the number of houses that sold over asking to the number of houses that had price cuts prior to selling.

I think a bit of FOMO going on...

[chrismoustache]

Originally Posted by AngryScientist

i agree. i began the concept of WFH many years ago to some level, and i'll never forget one of my favorite managers i have ever had telling me

Nick, an employee that is going to f-off at home is going f-off in the office too.

the very definition of salaried work is getting paid for the work anyway, not the hours.

Or, an employee that is going to spend all day on the Paceline forum at home is going to spend the day on the Paceline forum in the office too.

[72gmc]

At times like these, a lot of articles about real estate read like advertorials created to stoke business … because they are.

[Clean39T]

Originally Posted by 72gmc

At times like these, a lot of articles about real estate read like advertorials created to stoke business … because they are.

100% this. The majority of media outlets are owned by banks and hedge-funds who profit from the hysteria and irrational exuberance.

An unbiased analysis of the housing market, and more broadly of the health of our financial system and economy, would show we are in some deep doo-doo and the bottom is about to fall out.