ot: so how do a merchant ship and destroyer have a collision?

[Seramount]

Originally Posted by CaptStash

... Exxon Valdez disaster. Hazelwood's error was in not being on the bridge. It wasn't even remotely alcohol related.

Hazelwood wasn't given a breathalyzer test, but he had consumed several drinks prior to the grounding...

was he legally drunk...maybe yes, maybe no.

http://www.evostc.state.ak.us/index....=facts.details

[CaptStash]

Originally Posted by Seramount

Hazelwood wasn't given a breathalyzer test, but he had consumed several drinks prior to the grounding...

was he legally drunk...maybe yes, maybe no.

http://www.evostc.state.ak.us/index....=facts.details

Unklnown, but it likely had very little if anything to do with why the vessel grounded. It was a long, complicated and discouraging error chain that allowed the incident. I personally know a couple of the players, and blame the culture at Exxon shipping more than anything else. A poorly trained mate was at the con on a new ship he didn't fully understand, and he refused to accept input from a more qualified licensed officer who was sailing in an unlicensed rank. And so it goes.

CaptStash....

[firemanj92]

Originally Posted by CaptStash

1) You have no clue what caused the Exxon Valdez disaster. Hazelwood's error was in not being on the bridge. It wasn't even remotely alcohol related.

2) The pilot error you are referring to was the on the Costco Busan, which was a container ship. There was a lot more going on there than the pilot who was taking unreported prescriptions.



CaptStash....

RE: M/V Costco Busan (I had previous forgotten the type of vessel but dealt with the 50k+ gallons of fuel released into the bay)
Both prescriptions drugs and the pilots medical conditions were not disclosed on his annual forms to the USCG as required and did play a part in his conviction. But what remains is the multiple human errors including the lack of understanding of the vessel's electronic charting system and the meaning of the 2 red triangles (red buoys) marking the towers that he struck. He made the decision to leave port in thick fog (less than 1/2 nautical mi visibility) with no forward lookout posted-several other large commercial vessel pilots chose not to leave port that morning. He also claimed the radar was unreliable but it was in fact reading correctly. He failed to review the ships paper charts when he doubted the electronic systems. He gave the commands which led to the collision of the tower.
As the pilot of one of the 1st emergency responders on scene my point was it was human error and have since corrected my previous statement to give a long drawn out explanation instead of a quick read.

[CaptStash]

Originally Posted by firemanj92

As the pilot of one of the 1st emergency responders on scene my point was it was human error and have since corrected my previous statement to give a long drawn out explanation instead of a quick read.

Agreed. He was actually the only pilot I ever had a serious problem with. I had it o
ut with him when he put my 190,000 ton ship in a close quarters situation docking at Benicia because he wanted to got to dinner with the pilot of the ship behind us. Needless to say, I was not his biggest fan.

CaptStash....



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[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by CaptStash

Agreed. He was actually the only pilot I ever had a serious problem with. I had it o
ut with him when he put my 190,000 ton ship in a close quarters situation docking at Benicia because he wanted to got to dinner with the pilot of the ship behind us. Needless to say, I was not his biggest fan.

CaptStash....



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Allright skipper...you need to tell us(me) of your sea borne resume, 'my 190,000 ton'...gads, I thought a CV was big but a 'measly 100,000 tons.

[verticaldoug]

This was already a plot twist in a James Bond Film. Some evil media conglomerate wanted improved ratings , so manipulated the GPS tracking so both ships thought they were elsewhere but actually sent on a collusion course by the evil news conglomerate to get ratings.

Stage two is getting a war. What's up with North Korea?

[CaptStash]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Allright skipper...you need to tell us(me) of your sea borne resume, 'my 190,000 ton'...gads, I thought a CV was big but a 'measly 100,000 tons.

You crack me up Peter. Twenty-five years on merchant vessels, after being edumicated at Cal Berkeley then California Maritime - all of it except cadet shipping on tankers. The last seven years were as Master (captain to youse there landlubbers) on ships ranging in size from 91,0000 tonnes deadweight to 191,000 tonnes. Add twenty or thirty thousand tonnes to get displacement for them when they were fully loaded. Most of my time as Master was spent on the U.S. West Coast in the Valdez trade, although I did spend some time in the Gulf of Mexico when I relieved Duke (another stellar Paceline member) on the 91,000 tonne Panamx tanker. I got to take her through the canal and back to the U.S. West Coast. I also made a few trips back and forth to the far east and Singapore.

These days I, like Duke, am an industry sponsored tanker safety smartypants conducting safety inspections as required by the oil companies for the ships to be employed.

Plus I kill it on Talk Like a Pirate Day and have been known to swear like a merchant seaman when required.

CaptStash....

[josephr]

Originally Posted by CaptStash

Plus I kill it on Talk Like a Pirate Day and have been known to swear like a merchant seaman when required.

CaptStash....

its the important things!

seriously...have really enjoyed your commentary and have learned tonnes! still, hard to understand how a big ole boat could run into another big ole boat. Don't they still have guys out there with binoculars scanning the horizons?

[Ken Robb]

I don't know squat about maneuvering big ships. I had trouble with my 32 foot Sea Ray but I can swear like a merchant seaman or a Marine NCO for that matter.

[gasman]

I lose my voice by the end of talk like a Pirate Day and my wife wants to strangle me.
Here is a good pirate link:http://talklikeapirate.com/wordpress...ked-questions/


But seriously, CaptStash I've learned a lot from your comments and can't even imagine being in command of vessels that big !

I'm just saddened to hear that 7 men lost their lives in the accident.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by CaptStash

You crack me up Peter. Twenty-five years on merchant vessels, after being edumicated at Cal Berkeley then California Maritime - all of it except cadet shipping on tankers. The last seven years were as Master (captain to youse there landlubbers) on ships ranging in size from 91,0000 tonnes deadweight to 191,000 tonnes. Add twenty or thirty thousand tonnes to get displacement for them when they were fully loaded. Most of my time as Master was spent on the U.S. West Coast in the Valdez trade, although I did spend some time in the Gulf of Mexico when I relieved Duke (another stellar Paceline member) on the 91,000 tonne Panamx tanker. I got to take her through the canal and back to the U.S. West Coast. I also made a few trips back and forth to the far east and Singapore.

These days I, like Duke, am an industry sponsored tanker safety smartypants conducting safety inspections as required by the oil companies for the ships to be employed.

Plus I kill it on Talk Like a Pirate Day and have been known to swear like a merchant seaman when required.

CaptStash....

Arg...I, too, can swear like a sailor, just ask my grand daughters..thanks..

Found the Fitz sailors, BTW-too bad..all onboard.

[Tony]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Arg...I, too, can swear like a sailor, just ask my grand daughters..thanks..

Found the Fitz sailors, BTW-too bad..all onboard.

Must have been horrible for those sailors.

[Gphin]

As I don't have the impressive resume as the good Captain does, I did spend 4 years aboad the worlds finest guided missle cruiser, and it pains me to no end as who the hell is responsible for this mess. God bless those sailors who passed.

[sfscott]

With the seven deaths, should we assume the JAG corps will have something to say now?

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by eddief

but you'd think modern ships would have radar collision avoidance systems. or maybe in a great big ocean "mostly" no need.

Well the USN does, called bridge crew and lookouts plus radar. BUT ships did not turn all that well and takes miles to stop. I wonder if it was rules of the road confusion or steering casualty. CO of USN ship in trouble regardless along with OOD, bridge crew, etc.