OT Key Bridge collapse - seems surreal

[tuxbailey]

Originally Posted by Hilltopperny

*snipped*

With all due respect, this thread is about the tragedy of the bridge accident. Can you not bring the pandemic stuff back here again? Feel free to start a different thread if you wish...

[Alistair]

Originally Posted by mickey.d

thread went from a boat crash to a train wreck mighty fast
🚂 💥

Yes it did.

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[Hilltopperny]

Originally Posted by tuxbailey

With all due respect, this thread is about the tragedy of the bridge accident. Can you not bring the pandemic stuff back here again? Feel free to start a different thread if you wish...

That was kind of my point! Please read what I responded to as it was not me who started that topic of conversation. All good folks! Maybe have a look into what I stated if you feel up to it, but it was in no way meant to derail the thread.

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[OtayBW]

Originally Posted by Hilltopperny

Everything I stated is verifiable, but your hubris and cognitive dissonance won't allow it. Have a good one!

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You're a funny guy.....

[verticaldoug]

Originally Posted by benb

The ships themselves are often just run aground in developing nations and then broken down without much effort put into proper waste cleanup.

They can actually be run pretty far aground. Lots of pictures. They run them up big shallow beaches and can then tear them apart on the beach. Easy to find pictures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ6c0EAS0aY

The ship breaking scrapyards have been discussed for years.

It's like being a person who litters away from home, and then one day when you come home, you find your yard filled with litter and find it upsetting. This is a bit how I view this accident in Baltimore.

[Hilltopperny]

Originally Posted by OtayBW

You're a funny guy.....

Now I'm a comedian https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DZTpgqqLyAs8&ved=2ahUKEwiDg_X9lJeFAxVjN 94AHYksCT0QwqsBegQIEBAG&usg=AOvVaw1vzYZHG_pQAEDXer EZxahz

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[fourflys]

Originally Posted by Hilltopperny

Now I'm a comedian https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DZTpgqqLyAs8&ved=2ahUKEwiDg_X9lJeFAxVjN 94AHYksCT0QwqsBegQIEBAG&usg=AOvVaw1vzYZHG_pQAEDXer EZxahz

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come on guys, take this offline..

[MikeD]

Originally Posted by prototoast

Something like that sounds good to me, but (and I ask this as a genuine, not rhetorical question), if this isn't the status quo, do we even have the tugboat capacity to have tugboats escort every cargo ship under a bridge?

Probably gonna have to with those fracture critical bridges. Can you imagine loss of life if that bridge collapsed during peak traffic?

[unterhausen]

I posted a youtube link above that showed tracks of the ship traffic at the time of this incident. There were two tugs accompanying this ship for a while. In my uneducated opinion, it's possible they could have been spared a little longer. Maybe that will become standard practice in the future?

[ridethecliche]

https://www.businessinsider.com/balt...-london-2024-3

3-4 billion in estimated insurance claims.

[benb]

Originally Posted by verticaldoug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ6c0EAS0aY

The ship breaking scrapyards have been discussed for years.

It's like being a person who litters away from home, and then one day when you come home, you find your yard filled with litter and find it upsetting. This is a bit how I view this accident in Baltimore.

Perfect example of greenwashing when companies have some ESG statement or claim they are carbon neutral blah blah blah and then it turns out they're doing something like this. It's super gross.

[bigbill]

I don't understand the outrage about imports, overseas shipping of waste, and a collapsed bridge. Pinning the blame on large corporations is pointing fingers back at us. We consume, want low prices, demand exceptional healthcare, and practice NIMBY. Third-world countries have built economies around scrapping ships, accepting medical and electronic waste, and providing crews for merchant ships.

One of the theories being tossed around is bad fuel. The dirty secret there is bunker fuel. Diesel engines will run on almost anything oil-based. Merchant ships will have multiple fuel tanks that allow for range and ballast. As the fuel is consumed, the tank fills with seawater for ballast. The fuel floats on top and is pushed up by the salt water. Bunker fuel is the not-so-secret dumping ground of the refinery world. The sludge leftover from refining fuels, used motor oil, leftover chemicals, and all this stuff will end up in bunker fuel. The shipping industry is disposing of the waste by running their engines on it. Normally, ships run on clean fuel when entering or leaving port, but they burn the bunker fuel in the open ocean. The Pacific and Atlantic Oceans have shipping lanes, usually the shortest distance (great circle). Merchant ships exhaust more smoke at sea because of the fuel they're burning. The Russian's single carrier burns crap fuel too, that's why it's easy to find and was towed back to port several times.

[goonster]

Originally Posted by bigbill

The Russian's single carrier burns crap fuel too,

Well . . .

Sometimes the Kuznetsov burns crap fuel, and sometimes it just burns.

[benb]

I thought there was something about them not burning the bunker fuel in near port cause the pollution is too excessive and too dangerous in a populated area.