OT - What's going on in France

[93KgBike]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Modern Nuclear 'pocket' reactors, like those in USN CVs and submarines, are VERY safe and VERY modern...

This statement is only 100% true when not accounting for human behavior...

Years ago, when this story about a small research reactor was declassified it was the subject of a great deal of speculation about marital infedilty and revenge. It's been more than a decade since I thought of it, and now the internet has produced a neat narrative account.

Originally Posted by Neal Stephenson

Any strategy that involves crossing a valley accepting short-term losses to reach a higher hill in the distance will soon be brought to a halt by the demands of a system that celebrates short-term gains and tolerates stagnation, but condemns anything else as failure. In short, a world where big stuff can never get done.

Micro-nuclear is never gonna happen.

[wc1934]

5th week - picture is worth a thousand/ten thousand words.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lan-chaos.html

"Around 69,000 security forces were mobilised across France, down from 89,000".

"The Vests have been joined by extremists from the far Right and the ultra-Left, as well as anarchists intent on causing as much damage as possible".

[dancinkozmo]

in america baseball is the national pastime...in france its going on strike

[froze]

Originally Posted by dancinkozmo

in america baseball is the national pastime...in france its going on strike

Give us a chance, someday we may be rioting again...I say again because you have to remember what happened during the Vietnam war here in America...something called riots happened, maybe you should look that bit of history up.

[verticaldoug]

Originally Posted by froze

Give us a chance, someday we may be rioting again...I say again because you have to remember what happened during the Vietnam war here in America...something called riots happened, maybe you should look that bit of history up.

I am impressed by the restraint the French security forces have shown versus the protest.

If this was happening in America, you'd see much more aggressive stance, and because of the constant fear of guns, probably some deaths.

If you recall the Occupy Wall Street protest in NYC, you had the policemen that decided to pepper spray two young women who were protesting behind a barrricade fence, and then the UC Davis incident when the police had a group of students who were already cuffed, kneel in a line so he could walk down the line pepper spraying everyone in the eyes.

If you want an interesting read, read the propublica series on Elkhard Police in indiana.

[oldpotatoe]

Modern Nuclear 'pocket' reactors, like those in USN CVs and submarines, are VERY safe and VERY modern...

Originally Posted by 93KgBike

This statement is only 100% true when not accounting for human behavior...

The USN Nukes have been installed, serviced and repaired for decades, by 'humans' w/o any issues.

Oh I know, shows how feckless people are. A viable, long term, clean solution but something that happened 40 years ago that somebody read about in a book...makes people shake with fear. Maybe they need to see how many have died as a result of 'coal'.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by froze

Give us a chance, someday we may be rioting again...I say again because you have to remember what happened during the Vietnam war here in America...something called riots happened, maybe you should look that bit of history up.

I only thing keeping people out of yellow vests here is a pretty good economy..when that goes south(and it will)..buckle up!!

[daker13]

Originally Posted by wc1934

5th week - picture is worth a thousand/ten thousand words.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lan-chaos.html

"Around 69,000 security forces were mobilised across France, down from 89,000".

"The Vests have been joined by extremists from the far Right and the ultra-Left, as well as anarchists intent on causing as much damage as possible".

A very trustworthy reporting of events in France, from the UK rag that Wikipedia deems an unreliable source. Saying the demonstrators are protesting France's 'high cost of living' is a pretty silly description.

[572cv]

As has been shown in so many other instances in the western world in recent years, passing cash, information, logistics and fanning the flame can have an effect.....

https://www.wsj.com/articles/france-...nt-11544826863

[ultraman6970]

Socialism works, but when the country gets up to certain size is not going to work anymore, the other thing is that the EU is imploding slowly due to weird deals related with cooperation between the countries, things I call... "we have to look good to the other countries" type of situations.

Globalism works but again... up to certain country sizes. After that becomes a problem for the locals because the locals start maintaining other economies and problems that arent even theirs. And that's what is going on, and france is just a good example of it. Ask that to the canadians that need to go to the US to get a scan or get surgery because if they wait in line for their turn they are better just going to get the coffin and the hole where they will spend the rest of their lives.

Ford is going out of france in the next months, so there's a lot more to come in france, this is just the beginning.

[froze]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

I only thing keeping people out of yellow vests here is a pretty good economy..when that goes south(and it will)..buckle up!!

Exactly, Americans act all proud because we don't riot and point our fingers at France need to be careful because as we point our fingers at others we have 3 other fingers pointing back at ourselves!! Anything at anytime can happen to America, it only takes the right circumstances to be doing what France is doing, and it could be a lot worse than what France is doing. It just puts a bad taste in my mouth when I hear Americans speak badly about how another country acts when we have acted just like that in the past and could very well act like that again in the future. But when Americans act like, and talk like, we're special, we're the best, we're superior, etc, our cocky behavior puts a negative taste about Americans in other countries.

[Jef58]

Originally Posted by ultraman6970

Socialism works, but when the country gets up to certain size is not going to work anymore, the other thing is that the EU is imploding slowly due to weird deals related with cooperation between the countries, things I call... "we have to look good to the other countries" type of situations.

Globalism works but again... up to certain country sizes. After that becomes a problem for the locals because the locals start maintaining other economies and problems that arent even theirs. And that's what is going on, and france is just a good example of it. Ask that to the canadians that need to go to the US to get a scan or get surgery because if they wait in line for their turn they are better just going to get the coffin and the hole where they will spend the rest of their lives.

Ford is going out of france in the next months, so there's a lot more to come in france, this is just the beginning.

This is it, in a simplified nutshell... I have a friend at work who lived in France, and still has family there, that mirrors most of this quote. In my mind, the EU reminds me of a feudal system where a certain class supports an upper class while they govern as 'they' see fit. Unfortunately 'populism' has become a nasty word to those progressives that want to take the power away from the same people who are sustaining them....

[Gummee]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Oh I know, shows how feckless people are. A viable, long term, clean solution but something that happened 40 years ago that somebody read about in a book...makes people shake with fear. Maybe they need to see how many have died as a result of 'coal'.

Starting with the people that mine the stuff...

M

[froze]

So far there has been no perfect form of government, probably because in order to have a government you have to have people running it and in a very short time they become corrupt and out of control. Historically the democratic system with three branches of of government has worked out the best, but like I said even the best system goes astray due to people who are in control going power and money hungry. This is why the US government is unique because while we have the Constitution that protects the basic freedoms we also have the Bill of Rights which protects us from having those freedoms revoked and gives us the power to retake the government should it run amok. Of course that last sentence was a nutshell overview, but what is disturbing in the US is that schools no longer teach students, or teach them very little, as to the importance of both of our contracts, our schools just gloss over it quickly as if they're not important, so kids who will grow up to be adults won't realize how much power they could wield if necessary, or understand their rights; kind of makes me wonder if not teaching that stuff to our youth is purposeful because it's the federal government that is in charge of our schools. What's odd is that people who want to legally become citizens must know more about our Constitution and our Bill of Rights then our own citizens must know. The unfortunate danger we now face is a government no longer controlled by the people and which no longer feels responsible toward them; this is a problem created by the educational system, which is of course federally controlled.

[jlwdm]

Originally Posted by froze

So far there has been no perfect form of government...

...

Benevolent dictator. Just hard to come by.

Jeff