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I try very hard not to pass judgement on the objects of desire of anybody else....This especially holds true for those people within the same lunatic fringe as me. I don't mind describing how I may see things a bit differently from time to time....I like some vintage bikes, and I like some modern bikes. My interest in any of them is predicated on my opinion that they do their job well....extra points are awarded if they do their job exceptionally well. The whole Confente fetishism jumps the shark for me as it is based on the *story* and *drama*. They may or may not ride great, but that is not the chief driver of their value. On the other hand something like an nice old DeRosa or Gios or Prestige shop Peugeot has great interest for me as these machines are valued for how they perform. It's a great pleasure to ride one of those old machines and confirm the reputation....and to demonstrate that what was good in the 70's or 80's is still pretty good today. So I'm fine with the idea of elevating an exceptionally built bike to the level of art, but in the end it needs to be performance art as well. So, here in the lunatic fringe we all have our kinks....and they wouldn't qualify as fetishes if they weren't different from the mainstream
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12-14-2018, 10:29 AM
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12-14-2018, 12:33 PM
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He made really nice frames, and I'm sorry his life ended up taking such a sorry turn and ended so early. I was always annoyed by the marketing while he was alive, and am somewhat floored by the valuations. I have a list of builders I would buy from before one of his frames. Probably more than one for the same money.
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great sad story, lots of drama over something as simple as a bike. when i first started buying bikes. the bikes i lusted for but couldn't afford were the first purchases. the era of steel had all ready faded when the purchases started. favorite memory when i got one of the first high priced bike was from a friends girlfriend when i rode it over there. "You paid how much and it doesn't come with a kick stand?' the Confente saga sounds like a niche film waiting to be made.
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  After all, who else has like 3 Cinelli Lasers?!  Or 3 gold Colnago frameset  So awesome or nuts! For the article and more pics, go here: https://www.sterba-bike.cz/item/asah...useums?lang=EN Good Luck! Last edited by bfd; 12-15-2018 at 01:37 AM.
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12-15-2018, 07:54 AM
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Especially if she gets the bikes and sells them for what he told her he paid.
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12-15-2018, 09:26 AM
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Despite the tone, I think there is a lot of truth in the Brian Baylis piece quoted above. It's poignant to me as he cites Bob Jackson as one of the over-rated framebuilders. I think that's true in most cases - BJ turned out many frames of varying quality from a well-staffed shop. When I was looking to have a custom made frame in late 1971, Sheldon Brown steered me to BJ, but he pointed me towards BJ's best model (called the Olympus, BITD). I wanted an all-rounder that would have clearance for larger tires and would accept racks and fenders so the Masi/Cinelli and similar were out. That frame has diamond reinforcements at the brake bridges, and long spearpoints on the BB shell and inside of the fork crown. When we tested a bunch of frames for stiffness at MIT in 1974 to help specify tubing diameter and thickness for the aluminum bike frame project, my BJ was one of the lightest frames and yet on the stiffer end of the frames we tested.
Sheldon wrote "A friend of mine has a Jackson that he has owned for years. It truly is one of the most attractive bicycles I've ever seen. It features great stove enamel, fun contrasting red panels, and rides great." And yet we've all seen some very ordinary examples for frames that have come from that company. I contrast this with my 1988 Nagasawa fixed gear road trainer. I sent that back in 2014 to Circle A for a full strip and re-paint, and they sent some photos of the frame stripped, and told me it was a beautifully made frame. And when Dave Anderson made my frame in 2012, he sent links to a photo album with his progress week by week on the frame, and you can see the incredible craftsmanship he applies to his work. Being a stainless frame, with little paint when it was delivered, his brazing work is fully visible, and impeccable. I have little doubt that our contemporary framebuilders of his rank surpass the quality of the vintage high end frames. And when one adds in the significant advances in steel metallurgy, there really is no comparison. All that being said, all three of the bikes mentioned above are in regular riding rotation, and very much enjoyed for what they are and how they ride, and how they look. The Nagasawa and the Anderson have more of what Baylis calls 'mojo' to me, but I think it is because each was made by one highly dedicated and skilled person - Anderson even does his own paint - so they feel even more as pieces of art as well as craft.
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That definitely is a step far in an artisanal craft sometimes overflowing with outsized egos. 
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