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A brief browse of this thread makes me glad I have no idea what FTP is...
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My problem is consistency. I can never get those once in a while ‘ready to kill it and keep killing it’ days to coincide with a race. They always seem to occur during rides where I went into the ride not specifically expecting some monster effort. I’ve also done everything by the book leading up to a race...nutrition, proper taper, sleep, scripted to the nth degree race morning routines, then started the race feeling like something special was going to happen only to have the race turn into a run of the mill meat n’ taters Cat4 mid pack effort. Meh. So my takeaway from all that is that there are so many variables layered on top of by-the-book-training that I haven’t figured out yet. So this year I’m going to stop overthinking it, obsess much less about numbers, and just try to have fun. We’ll see if that nets out to overall better racing...but regardless...at least I’ll be having more fun. |
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Have you tried Whoop to dail in your recovery? It maybe worth a shot.
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Doesn't sound like the best deal knowing what we all know about wrist HRM monitors and motion based sleep monitoring. I would feel way more confident trying something like that without the fairly hefty monthly fee and knowing the data/algorithms were public and had been vetted by top coaches. I'd never do that over paying for an actual coach. |
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In any case, I went ahead and signed up more out of curiosity than anything. There is a good upside if it works out and at a minimum the sleep tracking / activity monitor aspect will provide some value regardless of whether it nets out to improved recovery and performance gains. Tracking of resting HR has many overall general health benefits beyond just athletic performance. My general feeling on tools like this is that there are many ways to skin the cat, ie there are undoubtedly other ways to get similar metrics, but the mechanism itself (in this case a device with an app) can also be a driver. For some people, this delivery approach may add zero value...for tech nerds like me, maybe it’s a good way to get one in the right mindset (being more mindful of sleep, resting HR, etc) I’ll likely post another thread on experiences after I’ve had it for awhile. FWIW, I also wouldn’t do this over paying for coaching services or even investing in a good power meter. Last edited by Wayne77; 03-20-2019 at 09:00 AM. |
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A few months ago when I started Zwift winter training I did their FTP test and pulled a 3.9kg/w. It is a 20 minute test ride and they take your average wattage and multiply it by a fudge factor to estimate what you could do for an hour. I honestly doubt I could hold 3.9 for an hour. So yeah, it seems a bit off to me too.
Besides that I wonder what the value for FTP is in road racing anyway. I can see it being important in TT's or of course something like the hour record. Probably important in cyclocross too. But in road racing there is a lot more to it. I think in road racing 5 minute and 20 minute efforts are more important for things like bridging gaps and breaking away. |
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I don't know why they'd be applying a fudge factor instead of the standard value, isn't it 20 minute power * 0.95 according to Coggan, etc.. ?
This is the same thing I don't get with Strava not using the established formulas and instead coming up with their own thing that approximates the standards. One other thing about funky #s. I had my PM break in 2016 and the ride it broke on I was immediately suspicious, but if you didn't notice right away or the failure was more subtle you could think your FTP/#s were creeping up. Mine broke in a way that made it look like I was making about a 30 watt gain. 30 watts is not particularly subtle to me but I could see someone missing it I guess. |
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/\ yeah I don't think their FTP test is any different than any other ftp tests
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I just didn't remember what the number was so I called it a fudge factor. I still think I can KILL myself for 20 minutes, get an FTP value and not be able to ride that for an hour. I've not tried it though and I would not look forward to trying it either
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It's only real value is in creating workout zones for training. If you aren't training intervals in designated zones there's no reason to bother.
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Its the level of hurt you put yourself in for an hour, just before you puke and fall off the turbo. A good test is 6kg and 20mins before you can see again
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Ok I see. I guess I could also see it as a tool in say an hour long CX race. If you know you can pull off 300 whats for one hour then you can watch that number as you race and make sure you keep to it. Of course my guess is that people would produce more then their FTP under the stress of a race and so it could actually be a hindrance too.
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Problem is you can't look at your computer in a race like cyclocross. You can only analyze after.
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I agree also that the power profile and FTP are mostly useful for training, and useful to a much lesser degree for monitoring your performance while riding. |
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