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"Big Health Insurance" has a legion of lobbyists with swimming pools full of bribe money for various state and federal legislatures and the guys in the 'big chair'...including the one who lives very part time in DC...
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Damn , I knew things were bad in the US but still not that bad.
I agree with those of you saying you have good health care, the issue is more with insurance, finance and banking. It's very much different here in Europe, where we have a mixed system , with a bit of both ( planification and high public employement numbers and private jobs ). Mostly public healt care. We all should look up at what northern european countries are doing. But we also have a dying middle class. You have to have a high social capital society, high trust for that kind of stuff to work. It's less and less the case. Potential issues I see in us for public healtcare, are rampant obesity for you , bad life hygiena etc. As well as opioid crisis ( google sackler family ) |
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Totally agree. It's not like anyone should take pleasure in fat-shaming, but these are the people chronically making poor choices that will likely bring the house of cards down on the rest of us. And all in the shadow of the former first lady's healthy food initiative for schools being ceremonially dismantled (on her birthday no less) just as a statement against 'nanny-state' influence on personal choices. Yes, it's expensive to subsidize whole foods for school children nationwide. So is emergency room care for obesity-related illness.
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Too much money, too many lobbyists, too much ego... Tricare, like medicare for all, works great..send the insurance fat cats back to their estates in Florida..
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That $90k quoted number is something that all healthcare orgs do - provide some extremely high number based on what's called the charge master. The charge master is completely fabricated and has no basis in reality of true costs of delivered career but is simply used to begin negotiations btwn a provider and insurer. Unfortunately for the consumer, or uninsured, providers use the charge master to bill out directly. No one should ever, ever accept and pay that charge. |
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I view the billed amount the same as a sticker price on a car. No one pays that. As mentioned, it's the starting point in negotiations. When you get the Explanation of Benefit (EOB), it shows the billed amount and then what the insurer actually is going to pay. It tends to make the insurer look like the hero (Wow, look how much they saved me!), but it's all smoke and mirrors. Unfortunately, if you have no insurance you may get billed for the entire amount. As pointed out, usually you can negotiate that down, but sometimes not. Not surprising that medical expenses are a, if not the, leading cause of personal bankruptcy.
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Problem is this is AFTER your service, not negotiating before you buy the car. Lot harder to negotiate.
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Not always easy to do i.e. when you're seriously injured
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People shouldn't have to negotiate for healthcare, period.
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I've had "government health care" my entire life, dad in USAF, me in USN, now on medicare and have NEVER been disappointed. It works, can work for everybody, as it does for how many other 'industrialized' nations? Becoming homeless because you get sick should be CRIMINAL..not commonplace. AND before somebody yells, 'your taxes will go up', yup, but the resulting $ you pay each year will GO DOWN with 'medicare for all', but for people like that Norquist weirdo, 'taxes' is a four letter word. NOBODY should accept these fat-heads in various legislatures, who are bribed with YUGE amount of $..VOTE, for the above and a plethora of other reasons... Quote:
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So, the Trump administration tried:
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2019/...americans.html And the hospitals sued: https://khn.org/morning-breakout/in-...sparency-rule/ |
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He did what he could however, it will take Congress to make changes in any health care laws. And they are apparently too busy to do it. We need to elect younger members to Congress, but for some reason people keep electing the same crowd. That swamp we have to drain, it’s outside the reach of the President.
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