Rivendell's Black Reparations Pricing

[peanutgallery]

Facepalm

Originally Posted by joevers

I don't have a single clue what hole you live in but POC absolutely ride bikes. Like.. everywhere.

[colker]

Originally Posted by XXtwindad

With all due respect, I think you missed his point. PG is saying that when commercialism gets overly entwined with social justice messaging the latter gets diluted. Hard to argue with that. I thought his comments were pretty damn funny. Cynical, perhaps. But funny.

Actually... it´s when commercialism gets entwined that social justice happens faster. Gay rights were sped up due to gays becoming an upcoming market w/ lots of disposable income for products the heterossexual family man and were not up to spending money on. Fashion, real state, tourism, sports cars.
Inclusive action is a capitalist thing at it´s core: everyone is a buyer. Grant´s thing here is pure american businness mentality at work and that´s great.

[XXtwindad]

Originally Posted by colker

Actually... it´s when commercialism gets entwined that social justice happens faster. Gay rights were sped up due to gays becoming an upcoming market w/ lots of disposable income for products the heterossexual family man and were not up to spending money on. Fashion, real state, tourism, sports cars.
Inclusive action is a capitalist thing at it´s core: everyone is a buyer. Grant´s thing here is pure american businness mentality at work and that´s great.

Well, we can certainly disagree. Stonewall, the Mattachine Society, and the Daughters of Bilitis had nothing to do with Haute Couture.

Interesting comment about Israel a few pages back. I’ll email you about that one later.

[colker]

Originally Posted by XXtwindad

Well, we can certainly disagree. Stonewall, the Mattachine Society, and the Daughters of Bilitis had nothing to do with Haute Couture.

Interesting comment about Israel a few pages back. I’ll email you about that one later.

Civil rights conscience happens way before things change on a big magnitude and it happens in spite of markets and sellers BUT... capitalism is both a destructive and a progressive force.
Slavery ended when a new economy based on industries and salaries was ready to take over.
Ethics are the pillars but the wheel of change speeds up due to economic pressure.
The push for consummerism brought down more tyrannies in the late 20th century than ethical thinking.

[FlashUNC]

For all the folks getting their hackles up about a discount pricing on bikes for black people, just wait till you hear what happened (and still happens) with redlining. If you think a price adjustment on a bike is outrageous, you'll be livid at what's happened for over a century in the housing market.

[Skenry]

How close are the riots getting to Riv HQ? How close will they be on November 4th? I know they are in the working 'hood area.
Maybe they just want to have a sign up on the door trying to be the good white bike people so they don't lose everything. Easier to give away 10% of your money than have to sort through the ashes of a burned out shell.

It's hard to tell where this falls on the spectrum of racism or just virtue signalling.

[Skenry]

Originally Posted by FlashUNC

For all the folks getting their hackles up about a discount pricing on bikes for black people, just wait till you hear what happened (and still happens) with redlining. If you think a price adjustment on a bike is outrageous, you'll be livid at what's happened for over a century in the housing market.

Ha, it actually works out though doesn't it? I live in an old sundown town, obviously Oakwood, Ohio isn't that way anymore but still very high taxes. But no crime, very safe, nationally ranked schools, the City comes to pick up my trash and they shovel my sidewalks, old treelined streets. It's a classic good place to live.

But everyone, pays the same price here.

[prototoast]

Originally Posted by Skenry

How close are the riots getting to Riv HQ? How close will they be on November 4th? I know they are in the working 'hood area.
Maybe they just want to have a sign up on the door trying to be the good white bike people so they don't lose everything. Easier to give away 10% of your money than have to sort through the ashes of a burned out shell.

It's hard to tell where this falls on the spectrum of racism or just virtue signalling.

None of the protests or looting that has happened thus far have happened by Rivendell's HQ. I don't know why you would have to assume this was something they did in bad faith. As a middle aged white guy, I have no idea if their efforts will actually be received well by the people who are supposed to benefit from it, but I don't have any reason to claim this wasn't motivated by a genuine desire to do something for racial justice.

[colker]

Originally Posted by prototoast

I don't know why you would have to assume this was something they did in bad faith.

We know why. The R word.. but i don´t want to be that guy who shuts the thread down.

[Black Dog]

Originally Posted by Skenry

Ha, it actually works out though doesn't it? I live in an old sundown town, obviously Oakwood, Ohio isn't that way anymore but still very high taxes. But no crime, very safe, nationally ranked schools, the City comes to pick up my trash and they shovel my sidewalks, old treelined streets. It's a classic good place to live.

But everyone, pays the same price here.

Are you suggesting that by redlining and keeping black people out of your town it is safer and has less crime? If people are being redlined then they are not paying the same price for housing or or being denied the chance to buy a house do to mortgage refusal simply because they are black. Can you be clear on what your are getting at. I really don't want to make any assumptions.

[colker]

Originally Posted by Black Dog

Are you suggesting that by redlining and keeping black people out of your town it is safer and has less crime? If people are being redlined then they are not paying the same price for housing or or being denied the chance to buy a house do to mortgage refusal simply because they are black. Can you be clear on what your are getting at. I really don't want to make any assumptions.

It´s 2020 and the concept of morally inferior races is still played; even among citizens of the wealthiest nation on the planet.

[rallizes]

extremely revealing thread

good grief

[jimcav]

Originally Posted by bthornt

If Rivendell decided to donate some bikes to a charity that didn't discriminate on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, and so on, that would be ok and may fulfill their goal of making cycling more inclusive. Or, as noted in a previous post, if they just made some sort of cash donation to a charity with this goal, that would be ok, too. But it seems pretty obvious to me, although I hasten to add that I'm not a lawyer, that you can't charge different prices for the same product based on the characteristics listed above. Even if it's for a cause that is noble and good.

what they end up paying is different due to a discount. I get a military discount at numerous places. No one behind me in line has ever had a fit about it. There would be more logic to them being upset about that, in my opinion, since their taxes already paid for my salary. I don't see how this is any different--Lowe's for example gives me a military discount. Riv is doing BRP discount.

[jpw]

How is Riv going to know that an order for this 45% discount has been placed by a customer who qualifies for the discount?

[Hilltopperny]

Originally Posted by jimcav

what they end up paying is different due to a discount. I get a military discount at numerous places. No one behind me in line has ever had a fit about it. There would be more logic to them being upset about that, in my opinion, since their taxes already paid for my salary. I don't see how this is any different--Lowe's for example gives me a military discount. Riv is doing BRP discount.

You served the country and public through the military. This discount is being given strictly based on race. No dog in the fight, but these two discounts are not the same thing.


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