24-hr test ride Argon-18 Gallium Pro

[dddd]

Sorry to "bump" this thread one last time, but I finally figured out what was wrong with my fit setup.

I am humbled by my first adjustment (flipping the stem to prevent knee contact with the upper handlebar) having been the wrong choice, as I had a nice (longer @ 11cm vs. 10cm) FSA stem just sitting there not being used.

With the longer stem, my position rotated forward enough to drop the bars significantly, virtually duplicating my Orbea's time-tested good fit.
I ran the saddle fully forward and dropped it a few mm as suggested here (thanks macaroon). The reach to the bars now felt natural and comfortable on this AM's ride (last day off for a while).
So, as I mentioned before, I now have three carbon bikes with same frame angles, TT length and now all with 110mm neck. I'm into all three for about $3k even, spread out over a few years.
And the weight tally (sans pedals) is 15.2lb Argon, 15.9lb Orbea, and ~18lb (ouch) Colnago (gotta work on that one).

I'll close with one last photo and say THANKS to all for delving into my dilemma. Looks like it'll be a keeper.

[oldguy00]

Looks great. I'm actually thinking of buying one of the Nitrogen model frames.

Just out of interest, what is your saddle height?

[dddd]

30" to the center of the saddle top.

I hope you get a good deal on your Nitrogen!

[oldguy00]

Thx. Sometimes I wonder if I am between sizes on the Argons.
My saddle height is 73cm from center of BB to top/center of saddle, so about 3cm lower than yours.

I'm guessing I'd still go with a medium, as the small would have a head tube too short I think...

[dddd]

Note these frames (the Nitrogen too, possibly depending on year) have a contemporary 73.5-degree seat tube, which puts the entire toptube possibly slightly forward of an older bike's to the tune of about .8cm per degree (i.e. steeper ST angle gives greater reach).

And, with the contemporary "relaxed" 72.5-degree HT angle (on the Gallium models), a shorter stem length should be well-tolerated without messing up the steering when riding fast or off of the saddle. A 120mm or longer stem might start to make start to make controlling the steering more of a chore while sprinting or attacking steep hills imho.

Good luck.

[oldguy00]

Thanks, yeah based on the seat angle, and top tube length, I'd likely be going with a 110 stem.