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Old 01-24-2023, 07:46 PM
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Why A Bike Fitter Still Chooses To Buy Rim Brake Bikes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX82...CyclingAcademy
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Old 01-24-2023, 08:02 PM
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Old 01-24-2023, 08:08 PM
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I can't believe nobody has said any of that before /s
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Old 01-24-2023, 08:32 PM
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Disc vs rim

This fellow alludes to this but it is something I have never been able to understand. Maybe some folks can help me out.

I get that disc brakes are more or less better than rim brakes. No argument from me. What I do not get is that such an improvement comes at the cost of a new frame, fork, wheels, group set..... A ton of money.... And for what degree of improvement. Folks will buy what they want to spend $ on. I get that. But that is a lot of money... as well as rendering the old stuff obsolete, no longer interchangable. I know you can still ride the ole stuff but you get my drift.

I am inclined to think that disc brakes are a "conspiracy" by the industry to get folks spending a fortune in the latest and "greatest." And for what degree of improvement. Baffles me .
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Old 01-24-2023, 08:36 PM
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what if...

you are 100% correct? Welcome to capitalism and the the art of making a profit. You can buy in or not...to a certain point.

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This fellow alludes to this but it is something I have never been able to understand. Maybe some folks can help me out.

I get that disc brakes are more or less better than rim brakes. No argument from me. What I do not get is that such an improvement comes at the cost of a new frame, fork, wheels, group set..... A ton of money.... And for what degree of improvement. Folks will buy what they want to spend $ on. I get that. But that is a lot of money... as well as rendering the old stuff obsolete, no longer interchangable. I know you can still ride the ole stuff but you get my drift.

I am inclined to think that disc brakes are a "conspiracy" by the industry to get folks spending a fortune in the latest and "greatest." And for what degree of improvement. Baffles me .
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Old 01-24-2023, 08:38 PM
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I am inclined to think that disc brakes are a "conspiracy" by the industry to get folks spending a fortune in the latest and "greatest." And for what degree of improvement. Baffles me .
Mainly an improvement in the color of the ink on their sheets, ledgers that is...
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Old 01-24-2023, 08:42 PM
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I'm in total agreement, I agree disc brakes are better generally but why would I ditch two totally good Titanium bikes with rim brakes which I love...

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Old 01-24-2023, 08:51 PM
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This fellow alludes to this but it is something I have never been able to understand. Maybe some folks can help me out.

I get that disc brakes are more or less better than rim brakes. No argument from me. What I do not get is that such an improvement comes at the cost of a new frame, fork, wheels, group set..... A ton of money.... And for what degree of improvement. Folks will buy what they want to spend $ on. I get that. But that is a lot of money... as well as rendering the old stuff obsolete, no longer interchangable. I know you can still ride the ole stuff but you get my drift.

I am inclined to think that disc brakes are a "conspiracy" by the industry to get folks spending a fortune in the latest and "greatest." And for what degree of improvement. Baffles me .
1) the gains at any step are marginal, but when you add them all up, the bike industry has come a long way in the last 50 years. If the bike industry stops trying to improve, you don't just miss out on the latest thing, you miss out on all the compounded progress.

2) if all your old stuff is great, it's fine to stick with your old stuff, but why buy a new bike to have it be just like your old bike? If one company offers something new and another offers the same models as previous years, which one do you think more people want? Where would Trek be today is they only offered the same products as their 2005 catalog? I'd say it would be more likely they'd be out of business than they'd be bigger than they currently are.
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Old 01-24-2023, 09:36 PM
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The transition to disc brakes by the bike industry is pretty much complete. When we see the first article written by an industry publication about how boost axle spacing is the superior option for road bikes its time to be scared.

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This fellow alludes to this but it is something I have never been able to understand. Maybe some folks can help me out.

I get that disc brakes are more or less better than rim brakes. No argument from me. What I do not get is that such an improvement comes at the cost of a new frame, fork, wheels, group set..... A ton of money.... And for what degree of improvement. Folks will buy what they want to spend $ on. I get that. But that is a lot of money... as well as rendering the old stuff obsolete, no longer interchangable. I know you can still ride the ole stuff but you get my drift.

I am inclined to think that disc brakes are a "conspiracy" by the industry to get folks spending a fortune in the latest and "greatest." And for what degree of improvement. Baffles me .
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Old 01-24-2023, 09:40 PM
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^this I meant Prototoast post
yes, capitalism, conspiracy to make you buy something you don't want. blah blah blah. so don't buy it. But when it is all said and done, keep your old stuff. Still plenty of people riding bikes from the 70's and newly made ones just like them.
If I were in the market for a new car I would not be looking for one with those fancy drum brakes, three on the tree and bias ply tires.
There are plenty of design "features" I don't like on new bikes (fully internal brake line routing through the stem/headset on a MTB?!? pah-lease) but there has also never been more choice to get what you want.
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Old 01-24-2023, 09:47 PM
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I'm not watching a video. Anyone want to summarize? I'm not sure that a bike fitter is any more qualified to make this judgement than anyone else.
I'm mostly curious if he had a bike fit related reason to stick with rim brake bikes.

The thread title mentions buying a bike. If you want a new bike, you're going to have to work nowadays to get a rim brake bike. And probably spend more money if you aren't buying used. If you go to one of the bike shops in town you aren't buying a rim brake bike without paying for custom.
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Old 01-24-2023, 10:00 PM
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1) the gains at any step are marginal, but when you add them all up, the bike industry has come a long way in the last 50 years. If the bike industry stops trying to improve, you don't just miss out on the latest thing, you miss out on all the compounded progress.
great point!
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ya know, rim brakes ARE disc brakes. the whole wheel is the disc...
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Old 01-24-2023, 10:06 PM
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I love my disc brake bikes. But it is true that they are a major pain in the neck to work on.

My mechanical discs require constant fussing. The hydro discs are generally super reliable, but when I need them bled I have to take them to a bike shop and pay them $100+ and be without my bike for a week while they mess with toxic fluids.

I've been building up a rim brake bike and I have to tell you, I'm excited to get it out on the road and see how I like it after doing the disc thing for so long. They are so easy to set up and work on...
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Old 01-24-2023, 10:39 PM
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I'm not watching a video. Anyone want to summarize?
Why should we do your homework for you?
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