My Ride into South Minneapolis This Morning

[Spdntrxi]

Originally Posted by benb

Well the officer has been arrested and charged now so hopefully the city calms down.

hope so... but if it take riots and looting to get this done it sends the wrong message.

[PQJ]

Originally Posted by onekgguy

I have to share this. Thank you.

Kevin g

You're welcome. It is part of a series of essays dubbed the 1619 Project. The essays are exceptionally well written and illuminating. The thesis is - not surprisingly - controversial. Needless to say, certain outlets got their panties all wadded up over it (see, eg, https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-161...oo-11588956387 and https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...ew-of-history/), and that is naturally reflected in some of the downstream commentary from our fellow plebs. For a more balanced view of the pro and con, see: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...roject/604093/.

On balance, it is a worthwhile read (the 1619 Project, that is). And, at a meta level, the theses therein strike the nerves they do because - IMO - they're on point, even if the collective we are sometimes loathe to admit it.

[weisan]

I didn't catch this until now...according to Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...FPEWMFVJYJ56GE

. Minneapolis City Council Vice President Andrea Jenkins said Floyd and Chauvin knew each other for many years because they worked security at the same night club. Both men worked at El Nuevo Rodeo on Lake Street before their fatal encounter.

[Jaybee]

Originally Posted by benb

Well the officer has been arrested and charged now so hopefully the city calms down.

The med examiner's autopsy report is listing "underlying health conditions" and not asphyxiation or strangulation as cause of death. I'm not counting on a successful prosecution for something we can all see plainly in the video.

[cinema]

Originally Posted by Jaybee

The med examiner's autopsy report is listing "underlying health conditions" and not asphyxiation or strangulation as cause of death. I'm not counting on a successful prosecution for something we can all see plainly in the video.

interesting. i thought something like this would happen. despite it seeming obvious from the video, it does appear he can sort of breathe but he is being placed under great distress. it's possible the autopsy is technically correct, but what is clear is that if the officer had not done what he did and listened to the man in distress, George would still be alive. that is why he will hopefully be found guilty on manslaughter, which they have also charged him with.

[Blue Jays]

Hopefully the city, residents, and businesses were not ruined over two men who simply hated each other. :-(

[Dino Suegiù]

Originally Posted by Jaybee

The med examiner's autopsy report is listing "underlying health conditions" and not asphyxiation or strangulation as cause of death. I'm not counting on a successful prosecution for something we can all see plainly in the video.

That is not an accurate summary of the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's statement, in that what was issued was 1) clearly a first, broad, c-y-a statement, allowing for multiple possibilities; and 2) is not the conclusive final autopsy yet (as apparently all laboratory results have not been returned yet).

The HCME's complete statement reads:

"The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

"No physical findings" does not preclude asphyxia or strangulation as a cause/primary factor of death, not does it in any way negate the 3 officers' clearly documented and clearly forceful connections to George Floyd's death: 8 minutes 46 seconds under direct, constant physical pressure during which time George Floyd was begging for help and mercy, except for the final 2 minutes and 53 seconds during which time George Floyd was apparently completely unresponsive, having either expired or on his way to expiring with no respite given.

M U R D E R.

Also, the Floyd family has apparently commissioned a second autopsy (Dr. Michael Baden, NYC) before the first MPD/HCME results are even final, because of a completely justified mistrust of any conduct of the Minneapolis Police Department.

[Gsinill]

Can't access Weisan's WaPo link anymore w/o subscription but as far as I remember, it stated that Chauvin continued kneeling on Floyd's neck for 3 minutes after one of the other officers determined that Floyd had no more pulse.

3 f'ing minutes (!) and no attempt to reanimate Floyd by any of the LEOs.

[Jaybee]

Originally Posted by Dino Suegiù

That is not an accurate summary of the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's statement, in that what was issued was 1) clearly a first, broad, c-y-a statement, allowing for multiple possibilities; and 2) is not the conclusive final autopsy yet (as apparently all laboratory results have not been returned yet).

The HCME's complete statement reads:

"The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

"No physical findings" does not preclude asphyxia or strangulation as a cause/primary factor of death, not does it in any way negate the 3 officers' clearly documented and clearly forceful connections to George Floyd's death: 8 minutes 46 seconds under direct, constant physical pressure during which time George Floyd was begging for help and mercy, except for the final 2 minutes and 53 seconds during which time George Floyd was apparently completely unresponsive, having either expired or on his way to expiring with no respite given.

M U R D E R.

Also, the Floyd family has apparently commissioned a second autopsy (Dr. Michael Baden, NYC) before the first MPD/HCME results are even final, because of a completely justified mistrust of any conduct of the Minneapolis Police Department.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Dino Suegiù]

Originally Posted by Gsinill

Can't access Weisan's WaPo link anymore w/o subscription but as far as I remember, it stated that Chauvin continued kneeling on Floyd's neck for 3 minutes after one of the other officers determined that Floyd had no more pulse.

3 f'ing minutes (!) and no attempt to reanimate Floyd by any of the LEOs.

Sadly it is all over the media:



Time (George Floyd prone, under pressure) total: 8 minutes 46 seconds.
Time (George Floyd prone, under pressure) after becoming unresponsive: 2 minutes 53 seconds.

Count out to either time...it takes a long while....

No pleas respected, no life respected, no reanimation attempted, no help given...in fact the intention of death seemingly verified before knees were lifted.

All four ex-officers should be charged for murder, as either instigators or accessories. The conduct of these animals is beyond reprehensible, regardless of any personal animus Floyd and Chauvin may have had for each other.

Apparently George McMichael, Travis McMichael, and William Bryan were not fans of Ahmaud Arbery, either.

Any personal animus, if it indeed existed, is then even more terrifying, as both (and many other similar) cases become in fact very close to if not complete demonstrations of in-cold-blood, premeditated murder, lynchings in all aspects.

[bobdenver1961]

Originally Posted by mtechnica

Thanks for posting. Ballsy ride not gonna lie. Be safe.

I don't know what looked more scary. Riding along the edge of the freeway in the first minute of your video or going into South Minneapolis.

[Dino Suegiù]

Originally Posted by Jaybee

Thanks for clarifying.

Welcome, posted only for accuracy in what is obviously such a complete tragedy, on so many levels. All the way to the fact that the instigation/silence from 1600 is truly stupefying.

We can only hope that the far more sinister interpretation posited in your original (and completely justified fearful) post does not in fact become the medical conclusion proposed and hammered by their own attorneys when Chauvin (et al, one hopes) is actually on trial, to the point that a jury becomes doubtful. We all know that it very well could happen that way.

[FlashUNC]

Originally Posted by Dino Suegiù

Welcome, posted only for accuracy in what is obviously such a complete tragedy, on so many levels. All the way to the fact that the instigation/silence from 1600 is truly stupefying.

We can only hope that the far more sinister interpretation posited in your original (and completely justified fearful) post does not in fact become the medical conclusion proposed and hammered by their own attorneys when Chauvin (et al, one hopes) is actually on trial, to the point that a jury becomes doubtful. We all know that it very well could happen that way.

It's 100% going to be the approach. What was the term in the 90s? Sudden In Custody Death Syndrome?

[charliedid]

Anybody else seen this video and what is "presumed" to be a cop breaking windows at AutoZone? I've just seen it pushed around on the socials. I'm not posting it but people have put a name to the face (ex-wife reportedly)

https://youtu.be/qv-O4rnUToU

[Dino Suegiù]

Originally Posted by FlashUNC

It's 100% going to be the approach. What was the term in the 90s? Sudden In Custody Death Syndrome?

One would assume that, certainly barring some even more incontrovertible evidence against Derek Chauvin, given that Chauvin had already hired Minneapolis attorney Tom Kelly (defended SAPD officer Jeronimo Yanez in the Philando Castile case) after Chauvin was fired and before he was arrested/charged.

Chauvin presumably had Mr. Kelly on speed dial, and may well have been discussing strategy with him 10 minutes after killing George Floyd.

The wheels....