New tire irons or go tubeless? - Page 2

charliedid · #16 10-09-2019, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tuxbailey

With the Mavic wheels I can mount without levers. But with the RR440 wheels I have to use levers and even that is a real struggle.

I will have one side of the beads in the well, the push the other side in until about 8" of beads left. And the rest of the beads become a tight, straight line across the top of the rim. At this point I have to insert the lever under the bead and then hook side down on the rim. Then I use the lever to jack the rest of bead over... if i don't don't do it carefully it ends up ruining the inner tube, likely because I hooked on it.

I feel for you.
Some are just a bear. I don’t want to sound pedantic but you’re putting a bit of air in the tube right? Kept it all in the well until the end.

It’s worse when you work in a shop and a customer watches you struggle

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tuxbailey · #17 10-09-2019, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by charliedid

I feel for you.
Some are just a bear. I don’t want to sound pedantic but you’re putting a bit of air in the tube right? Kept it all in the well until the end.

It’s worse when you work in a shop and a customer watches you struggle

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yeah I have a little air so the tube holds the shape.

tuxbailey · #18 10-09-2019, 10:04 AM

I think I am going order a set of Pedro's and then also the tire jack for a shot. Hopefully the jack is portable enough to take it on the road.

My fear is that I will ruin my spare tube on the road when I get a flat.

tuxbailey · #19 10-09-2019, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by R3awak3n

definitely DO NOT go metal. Pedros tire levers are THE BEST. Also you should just get one of these -

https://www.amazon.com/Kool-Stop-Tir.../dp/B001AYML7K

New tubeless wheels and tubeless tires (even if not run tubeless) have started getting harder and harder to put on. The good thing is that after a few hundred miles on the rim, they will stretch and will be easier to take off if you flat. Tubeless is great and will delay flats for sure so maybe a good time to try it.

The tool does look awesome. My concern is that it seems kind of large to take it with you on the road.

dustyrider · #20 10-09-2019, 10:08 AM

I have 440s and the vittoria corsa tires I ride are a dream to setup. They're also an amazing ride.

R3awak3n · #21 10-09-2019, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tuxbailey

The tool does look awesome. My concern is that it seems kind of large to take it with you on the road.

that tool is just to get em on, then you leave it at home. Like I mentioned, as the tire stretches they will be easy to take out and install with just a lever. I have had tires that were SO hard to put on (gravel king SK, looking at you) and used the jack to get the tire on, many miles later got a flat and they were removed and installed just fine.

makoti · #22 10-09-2019, 11:07 AM

Tubeless won't help the mounting issues. The suggestions of a tire jack & soaping the bead will. And, of course, make sure the bead of the side already on the rim is in the center channel of the rim. That will help a lot.

Elefantino · #23 10-09-2019, 11:40 AM

Pedro's levers are great but they break, too. Have snapped many in the shop, a sound accompanied by much cursing.

Crank Bros. Speed Lever is about as good as it gets for mounting difficult rubber. Haven't tried the newer "Speedier" lever.

Throwing tires in the dryer (inside an old pillow case) usually works for me on tough clinchers.

cash05458 · #24 10-09-2019, 12:22 PM

another vote for the bead jack...works great..

R3awak3n · #25 10-09-2019, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cash05458

another vote for the bead jack...works great..

once you get one, you will wonder why took you so long to buy one.

cash05458 · #26 10-09-2019, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by R3awak3n

once you get one, you will wonder why took you so long to buy one.

yep...totally simple idea and just works...cheap...one of my favorite tool buys over last ten years...your fingers will thank you kindly!

Gummee · #27 10-09-2019, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cash05458

yep...totally simple idea and just works...cheap...one of my favorite tool buys over last ten years...your fingers will thank you kindly!

If you're using your fingers or your thumbs, you're using the weakest part of the hand. Use the fatty part of the palm where the finger join and roll the bead over using your palms.

Tubeless rims? ALWAYS start opposite the valve and work towards it. Do it that way and you'll rarely have problems.

New parts = new techniques

M

cash05458 · #28 10-09-2019, 02:35 PM

yeah thanks Poindexter...you would have thought after 35 years of riding and doing my own wrenching I might have figured that out by now...go figure...was just saying the tool works well bud...

R3awak3n · #29 10-09-2019, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gummee

If you're using your fingers or your thumbs, you're using the weakest part of the hand. Use the fatty part of the palm where the finger join and roll the bead over using your palms.

Tubeless rims? ALWAYS start opposite the valve and work towards it. Do it that way and you'll rarely have problems.

New parts = new techniques

M

there are some tires that will just NOT go in, no matter what part of your body you are using. We had these tires that not even the first bead would go on, let alone the second bead. It was so tight... the jack made it work, it was still very hard work but I don't think it would have been possible without the damn tool.

jtbadge · #30 10-09-2019, 02:54 PM

The Speedier Lever is the only Crank Brothers part worth the money.