New tire irons or go tubeless?

[Gummee]

Originally Posted by R3awak3n

there are some tires that will just NOT go in, no matter what part of your body you are using. We had these tires that not even the first bead would go on, let alone the second bead. It was so tight... the jack made it work, it was still very hard work but I don't think it would have been possible without the damn tool.

It's a rare day when I need to break out the Bead Jack.

Make sure the beads are deep in the channel and it'll usually go on with little problem

Forget that 'bead deep in the channel' part and you'll struggle every time.

AMHIK

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[charliedid]

Originally Posted by jtbadge

The Speedier Lever is the only Crank Brothers part worth the money.

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[charliedid]

And then there are wheelchair tires. Criminal...

[makoti]

Originally Posted by jtbadge

The Speedier Lever is the only Crank Brothers part worth the money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbO_03rKyPk

Is it as easy as this guy makes it look? I'd never heard of this tool

[Clancy]

Originally Posted by R3awak3n

definitely DO NOT go metal. Pedros tire levers are THE BEST. Also you should just get one of these -

https://www.amazon.com/Kool-Stop-Tir.../dp/B001AYML7K


New tubeless wheels and tubeless tires (even if not run tubeless) have started getting harder and harder to put on. The good thing is that after a few hundred miles on the rim, they will stretch and will be easier to take off if you flat. Tubeless is great and will delay flats for sure so maybe a good time to try it.

Please expand on the tire jack.... I’ve got to admit, never seen one. I’ve used a wood clamp, awkwardly, to break beads. When tubeless tires get “glued-on” the rim, it’s a pain the break the bead to get the tire lever under. This looks useful.

Can’t believe I’m not aware of these.

Must have or fiddly gimmick?

[speedevil]

Originally Posted by DeBike

Steel core tire levers work well. Kool Stop bead jack is a big help for any hard to mount tires.

The Kool Stop Bead Jack is great for installing tight-fitting tires.

Is there such a thing as a Kool Stop Bead Jack Off?

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

[charliedid]

Originally Posted by makoti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbO_03rKyPk

Is it as easy as this guy makes it look? I'd never heard of this tool

They work just fine in theory. The problem I found is that especially new tire with sticky rubber have so much friction it makes the tool grab and stick. And that is a recipe for some serious knuckle banging. Older tires seem easier with it.

Hey whatever works.

[eddief]

and found the ergonomics of gripping it to apply the right amount of leverage to be less than it could should be. the handle shape is really uncomfortable. should be round like a screw driver handle but isn't.

This VAR tire system tool is smaller than the bead jack, less leverage, but fits in a small saddle bag.

https://www.amazon.com/VAR-Nylon-Tir.../dp/B004YJ30M8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OF2t2LJ6Tw

QUOTE=makoti;2604821]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbO_03rKyPk

Is it as easy as this guy makes it look? I'd never heard of this tool[/QUOTE]

[Clancy]

Originally Posted by speedevil

The Kool Stop Bead Jack is great for installing tight-fitting tires.

Is there such a thing as a Kool Stop Bead Jack Off?

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Obviously I thought this tool was a bead breaker. Good set up though!

[R3awak3n]

Originally Posted by Clancy

Please expand on the tire jack.... I’ve got to admit, never seen one. I’ve used a wood clamp, awkwardly, to break beads. When tubeless tires get “glued-on” the rim, it’s a pain the break the bead to get the tire lever under. This looks useful.

Can’t believe I’m not aware of these.

Must have or fiddly gimmick?

for me must have. I mean, I went years without it and then used it on this super stubborn tire, as in, no tire jack, that tire was just not going to go in. Then I thought, its just this tire/rim combo but even on easier ones, why not just use this thing and have the easiest time of my life putting tires on so now I use it every time I am mounting a tire (ok, if the tire is old and has been super stretched I just use my hands).



3 bike things I swear by. Tire jack, garmin varia and a frame pump.

[eddief]

I have a friend who uses CO2 to inflate on the road. So he took a behind the bottle cage mini pump bracket and tweaked the bracket to hold the handle of the tire jack. Next time I ride with him I will check how he tweaked it to work. My first flat on my Roubaix he was right behind me. We needed his extra CO2, and the jack to get me going again.

Originally Posted by R3awak3n

for me must have. I mean, I went years without it and then used it on this super stubborn tire, as in, no tire jack, that tire was just not going to go in. Then I thought, its just this tire/rim combo but even on easier ones, why not just use this thing and have the easiest time of my life putting tires on so now I use it every time I am mounting a tire (ok, if the tire is old and has been super stretched I just use my hands).



3 bike things I swear by. Tire jack, garmin varia and a frame pump.

[MaraudingWalrus]

Bead jack tool is excellent for mounting. Must have for the workshop. There are some that just no matter the technique are a combination that is really tough.

I had a couple customers at my old shop who had them mounted to their behind the saddle bottle cages by drilling hole(s) in them.


I just grabbed a pair of the Silca levers a couple weeks ago, but haven't had much time using them yet. They seemed like they had a reasonable amount of leverage offered while being pretty strong. Not as chonky as the Pedro's levers, so maybe easier to squeeze in the second lever when the fit is super tight?