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I didn't get the feeling that they hate cycling, but they do want to be their own thing and differentiate that from everything else with words and thoughts rather than providing a product or set of products. It's weird ... sort of like buying a Vulcan mind meld. 
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 Dave Wages, or for that matter the staff at Waterford are as well... lots of great options.
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I have been thinking about this...
A Riv is a Riv. If you want a Riv, get a Riv! Some of the bikes and builders posted in the thread are really amazing, but, well if you want a Riv, these are not that. Ask yourself why you wanted a Riv in the first place? A bit off kilter? Not beholden to conform or make friends? Can you forgive their web presence for aligning with that? I have a quickbeam and I just spent more to get it repainted than I did on the bike....
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Chicago, i'm a frame builder that devotes most of my energies to teaching others how to make a frame. If I wasn't a builder and wanted to get a more "gentleman" kind of bicycle made, I would 1st contact builders within a comfortable driving distance. While almost every builder can make almost any kind of bicycle, I would focus on those that have more experience making the kind of lugged bicycle you want. You should also be prepared for longer wait times and higher prices from those that do the best work. A Randonneuring style of lugged frame has a lot more details requiring a lot more time to make. Shaping and thinning lugs also adds to the time it takes the builder and also how long you have to wait to get it.
A number of good builders have already been mentioned. Dave Wages is fairly close to you (if indeed you live in the Chicago area) and is a master builder. However my 1st choice would be Jeff Bock in Des Moines Iowa (his shop is in a small town outside of the capital). He is a grand master of making a lugged frame that isn't a racing frame. In addition he paints as well. Nobody does a better job either building or painting than Jeff. He has been building since 1976 but hasn't been that well known. However since retiring from high school teaching he is getting to be "discovered" and as a result his wait times have increased. If you want to be more personally involved with the creation of your frame, you could take one of my framebuilding classes. Most of my students wanted to learn how to make more (like Jeremy at Gallus) but some just want to kinda do it themselves with my help.
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Just came across this Rivendell Atlantis they built up with SRAM 12-speed. Don't love the double top tube, but thought the build was rad. To me, they make some cool steel frames in a particular style - beyond that you can build them up however you like.
https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/1798...eagle-atlantis 
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Sometimes it's really about who you want to give your $ to and sometimes that company is just too out of whack to support for whatever reason That is certainly not the case for me with Rivendell even if I am vocal about my impressions of the company. I like Grant a lot in many ways and when he started, some of the marketing and selling things because....recreation, classic design and making your own decisions was refreshing and folksy and cute. Plus he almost single handedly kept trad. lugged bikes alive without ever making one himself. Then it got to the point of no return and I just didn't want to join the club. I still buy things very occasionally and always wish them the best but I'll stick to my coffee and skip the Kool-Aid. It's just bikes. Last edited by charliedid; 04-20-2021 at 07:09 AM.
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ahhh..it's for 'selling'...
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If I had to thin my stable ...
... my 2004 Rambouillet would be the last to go. It is a great all-purpose bike that handles all manner of road conditions extremely well. Fitted with fenders and a rear rack, I use it for errands, multi-day credit card touring and riding whenever there is a threat of rain.
Whenever I stop at my LBS, the wrenches and other customers always delight in looking it over. This bike is simply fun.
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