Initial Impressions of Etap AXS

[vqdriver]

Originally Posted by irideti

I understand the 1st gen Etap drops chain when shifting from small to big ring frequently. Did Sram solve this problem with AXS?

yes, it does. and yes, it's installation related.

i'm on 11sp etap and i'mma be on it for a while. it's the best group i've been on, mech or electric.

[Latestart]

I have (i) older red/force eTap, (ii) AXS on a new Scott, (iii) had Di2 on an older Scott.

Older eTap shifted slowly enough to be irritating. Didn't mis shifts, but you had to long-tap to be sure.

AXS on a new bike is really really nice. Fast, quiet, consistent, easy to install. and the gearing range is great. Not the best looking.

Loved Di2 once it was installed, light tap, shift happens. PITA to install and you had to carefully order all the overpriced wires. But after being set up, I never touched it other than charging and cleaning.

Still think campy mechanical SR is the best looking groupset, but I have never paid up to have it on a bike. Still have Ultegra mechanical on one bike and it is easy and reliable.

They all work, other than the older eTap, never really think about it much underway.

[jwin]

Originally Posted by Latestart

I have (i) older red/force eTap, (ii) AXS on a new Scott, (iii) had Di2 on an older Scott.

Older eTap shifted slowly enough to be irritating. Didn't mis shifts, but you had to long-tap to be sure.

AXS on a new bike is really really nice. Fast, quiet, consistent, easy to install. and the gearing range is great. Not the best looking.

Loved Di2 once it was installed, light tap, shift happens. PITA to install and you had to carefully order all the overpriced wires. But after being set up, I never touched it other than charging and cleaning.

Still think campy mechanical SR is the best looking groupset, but I have never paid up to have it on a bike. Still have Ultegra mechanical on one bike and it is easy and reliable.

They all work, other than the older eTap, never really think about it much underway.

The AXS hoods are especially ugly in my opinion.

I’ve never setup Di2 but it looks horrendous. Also, the charging mechanism seems annoying - although I guess you don’t have to do it much.

Shimano needs to make a wireless version.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by jwin

The AXS hoods are especially ugly in my opinion.

I’ve never setup Di2 but it looks horrendous. Also, the charging mechanism seems annoying - although I guess you don’t have to do it much.

Shimano needs to make a wireless version.

Since this is a discussion forum..if YOU don't put the bike together, what question does wireless 'answer', what problem, real problem, does it solve?

Yes, yes, those ugly wee wires..

Thinking function, not 'form'...

[Elefantino]

I spend more and more time looking at AXS and wondering if it's worth dropping a large on a new group. Not there yet, but thinking about it.

[jwin]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Since this is a discussion forum..if YOU don't put the bike together, what question does wireless 'answer', what problem, real problem, does it solve?

Yes, yes, those ugly wee wires..

Thinking function, not 'form'...

Well, I do put my bikes together and one thing that has steered me from Di2 initially is the number of parts I need to acquire and getting the lengths right, etc.

I'm sure it's not a huge deal, but it is initially overwhelming.


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[kytyree]

Di2 charging is almost exactly like charging a cell phone and many many other items, except that with Di2 it's rarely needed, a non-event.

I can understand it being confusing to install at first, but there really are minimal parts to the system, almost no requirements in how they are plugged together and you can measure for the wires with a shoelace or cloth tape measure in a couple of minutes. I ordered the wires for the last Di2 bike I built using the frame geometry diagram off the internet before the frame arrived, you're not building a piano.

And while I understand Etap is easy to bolt to a bike, when I look at either of my two Di2 bikes there's maybe 4" of wire total that can actually be seen?

[nmrt]

need to drop MUCH MORE than a large on a axs group. not to mention new freehub body in case you arent already running a xdr freehub.

i entertain the axs idea every few weeks. and then i decide against it.

Originally Posted by Elefantino

I spend more and more time looking at AXS and wondering if it's worth dropping a large on a new group. Not there yet, but thinking about it.

[Elefantino]

Originally Posted by nmrt

need to drop MUCH MORE than a large on a axs group. not to mention new freehub body in case you arent already running a xdr freehub.

Pro deal. Don’t need the crank or brakes.

[gospastic]

Originally Posted by Elefantino

Pro deal. Don’t need the crank or brakes.

Are you sure you don’t need the cranks?

[FlashUNC]

Originally Posted by gospastic

Are you sure you don’t need the cranks?

You don't. Despite SRAM's public statements.

[gospastic]

Originally Posted by FlashUNC

You don't. Despite SRAM's public statements.

What non SRAM chainrings are compatible?

[FlashUNC]

Originally Posted by gospastic

What non SRAM chainrings are compatible?

Been running a Rotor round ring Aldhu crank for awhile now with no issues.

The FD will handle a 16 tooth gap.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by jwin

Well, I do put my bikes together and one thing that has steered me from Di2 initially is the number of parts I need to acquire and getting the lengths right, etc.

I'm sure it's not a huge deal, but it is initially overwhelming.


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Most don't...

if YOU don't put the bike together, what question does wireless 'answer', what problem, real problem, does it solve?

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[FlashUNC]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Since this is a discussion forum..if YOU don't put the bike together, what question does wireless 'answer', what problem, real problem, does it solve?

Yes, yes, those ugly wee wires..

Thinking function, not 'form'...

Fewer tiny plastic connectors to break on install. Fewer frame holes to bung up, fewer cables to re-fiah when/if something breaks. Infinitely easier to travel with than any other group out there. Replaceable batteries means if one battery dies the whole system isn't dead, and spares are easy to carry.